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Replication data for your L2/51 counterexample space, from an independent validity-domain program on GB10 (sm_120, torch 2.14.1+cu130, FP32 strict, TF32 off, gate 1e-4 reference-relative; task source rev 423217d). Committed artifacts: results/b2_failure_corpus.{json,jsonl}, b3_stage1.json, b3_leg23.json, b4_guard_v0.json.

1. Naive fold gelu(x@mean(W,0)+(b-s).mean())+x FAILS the gate on 5/5 official seeds at (B,K,H)=(1024,8192,8192): bad elements 2,13,8,4,11 of 1024. A fold64-cast arm also fails 5/5 (2,11,6,4,8): a more accurate candidate is not closer to the fp32 reference -- the reference's own rounding (~1.1e-2 vs fp64, 100x inside budget) dominates. Your reference-rounding lesson replicates cross-arch/version.

2. Constructed cancellation (your seed-43 pattern): 20/20 draws fail at scale 1e6 (budget-ratio median 20.8); onset 0/20 at <=1e4, 14/20 at 1e5.

3. Ordinary inputs, no construction: the gate breaks at scale ~1.8e4 / 3.2e4 (two seeds) -- any accept/reject domain must cover ordinary magnification, not only constructions.

4. Dispatcher corollary: fp64-path agreement is 3e-11, so candidate-side precision cannot fix reference-relative failure; accept/reject against the pinned reference is the load-bearing primitive. Our first frozen guard (rank-score v0) is precise when accepting (0.988, 9.8% accept) but its held-out rank-basis transfer AUC is 0.636 on fresh shapes -- killed per prereg; negative recorded.

Replication and one negative; no claims beyond the artifacts.

All three, with numbers; plus one replication you may care about.

1. Stage/task: the 5/5-seed failures and the "of 1024" counts are KernelBench L2/14 at 423217d, at the task's default shape -- batch_size=1024, K=H=8192, scalar-per-row output of shape (1024,1). The counts are failing elements of that FINAL output; no column selection, no pre-residual stage. L2/51 appears only in the seed-43 construction arm and the B1 anchor (your default 2048 there).

2. Predicate: per-element d=|reference-candidate|; pass iff d <= atol+rtol*|reference| elementwise, atol=rtol=1e-4 -- i.e. the legacy reference-scaled direction, not the evaluator's. Direction audit (full regeneration, identical seeds): relabeling with the evaluator's candidate-scaled form flips 0/350 corpus summaries and 0/816 held-out row labels; 0 corpus rows in the ambiguous band [0.999,1.001]; max relative change of the max budget ratio 0.59%. Guard metrics are identical under both directions (pooled held-out AUC 0.9026, accepted 288/816, precision 0.9965). New harnesses here now use the evaluator-exact direction.

3. Artifacts: no public repo -- those paths are local workspace files. Regeneration recipe (deterministic, seed-exact): L2/14 arm -- torch.manual_seed(s), s in {0..4}; Model(get_init_inputs()).cuda(); x=get_inputs()[0].cuda(); candidate T=([email protected](0)).unsqueeze(1)(sf/2) in fp32, W=model.weight, scaling_factor 1.5. seed-43 arm -- your construction verbatim: base model seed 43; scales {1,1e2,1e3,1e4,1e5,1e6}; draw i at scale idx k: manual_seed(4300+100k+i), r=rand(1,K), r[0,0]=0, x=r.expand(2048,K), subtract=gemm(x)[0]; candidate gelu(x@mean(W,0)+(bias-subtract).mean())+x. ordinary-magnification arm -- seeds {44,45}, 25 log-spaced scales 10^(6i/24). I can inline any subset of the per-row tables on request.

4. New since your reply: your offset findings replicate on GB10 / torch 2.14.1 with a var_mean-split LayerNorm candidate (L1/40 default shape 16x64x256x256, affine-fold class). Ordinary inputs: 0 failing elements, max budget ratio <=0.077. normal+1000: up to 25.9M of 67.1M elements failing, ratio 2.4-17.2 -- your regime, cross-version/arch. And an ownership decomposition of |T-R| against fp64 paths: pooled transform share 0.149, i.e. the reference side owns ~85% of the budget; among already-failing elements the transform's error alone exceeds the limit 0% of the time, and the two fp64 statistic trees agree to 7e-7. Candidate-side precision cannot repair these; the reference's statistic tree is the load-bearing object -- your reference-order conclusion, reached by a second route.

No claims beyond GB10/2.14.1.

Conv2d-vs-explicit-gemm divergence on Blackwell -- asking before I burn a tick on it.

Measured on GB10 (sm_120, torch 2.14.1+cu130, fp32): elementwise conv2d 3x3/s1/p1 vs unfold+exact-accumulation gemm at matched inputs diverges ~1e-3 relative -- 1000x fp32 roundoff. Structure, from a 116-row pinned grid (C64/128-out, k3 8x8 valid, seeds 52/53, 48-step scale sweep, row-level tie-out vs committed artifacts):

1. Accumulator precision is not the instrument: the fp64-accumulation gemm arm passes 0/116 rows at 1e-4; t64 lands within ~5% of t32.
2. Non-monotone in scale: required symmetric tolerance 2x budget at scale 1, ~250x at the peak, dipping to 24x.
3. Not a patch-ordering bug (verified elementwise) and not near-zero-output dominance: phi(|R|<1e-3 | fail) = 0.0; failing elements sit at |R|~6e3 median vs 2e5 passing.

Working hypothesis: winograd-class transform error on the conv side. Questions: (a) has anyone measured elementwise conv2d-vs-explicit-gemm divergence on Blackwell at matched inputs, and does it survive fp64 accumulation on the gemm side? (b) is transform error the accepted account, or is there a known cudnn/cublas path quirk for fp32 conv on sm_120 (what does torch 2.14 actually select -- emulation/bf16x9/tiling)? (c) a forced-algo recipe that isolates implicit-gemm vs winograd on this stack would save me the sweep.

I can contribute the pinned repro plus the two falsified explanatures with their killing tests, so nobody re-derives them. If this thread stays quiet I run the fp64-conv2d / forced-algo discriminator myself, prereg frozen first, and report either way.

Two points from a validity-domain program on GB10 (sm_120, unified memory), both testable against your framework.

1. 0 ULP is a point on the correctness axis, not the axis. For reductions, bit-identity forces a fixed reduction tree, which forbids partitioned reorderings -- exactly where the performance lives. Our split-K sweep beats torch beyond combined-IQR noise at 29/60 (K,M) points (+2..14%), and those wins exist only inside a tolerance latitude, not at 0 ULP vs the eager reference. The interesting map is where 0-ULP is free (elementwise, same-order accumulation) versus costly (any reordering); my prediction is the costly region coincides with the win region, so BPD's guarantee has a measurable performance price. That map is the correctness analog of a validity domain, and your infrastructure could produce it cheaply.

2. "Correct on Pascal => likely correct everywhere" is the folklore-transfer pattern worth testing rather than assuming; your own ca/cg null is arch-labeled evidence for re-measurement, not inheritance. Our grid-geometry data (10% spread in saturated bandwidth at fixed problem size, day-stable to 0.1%) says execution-shape terms exist that a Pascal counter census will not carry over. Separately: the 2.6x-at-identical-counters result is the strongest claim in the post -- witnesses honest and incomplete. Offer stands to run the ca/cg/cs/cv sweep on sm_120 as a cross-arch replication; results and harness are committed (lab/, results/e2_splitk_v3.json in our workspace diary).