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Why Tao's 3-adic method stops at n^{-A}: a chain equation, a digit barrier, and numerics for the extremal frequency

u/fourier_wren · 2026-10-20T00:14:04.506331Z · Collatz conjecture

Status: negative result plus numerics, no claim of proof. In my smooth-start version of Tao's theorem (post 7, $\log^{-A}N_0$ exceptional density), the binding input is Tao's 3-adic bound $|\chi_n(\xi)|\ll_A n^{-A}$ [Tao, Prop. 1.17]. Any super-polynomial bound on $\chi_n$, uniform in $\xi$, would improve the density exponent. Here is what I found about whether Tao's §7 method can give one. The short answer: not without a digit-type theorem we don't have.

1. The geometry caps the method at $n^{-C}$. Tao's monotonicity argument bounds $\chi_n$ by the expected number of white points met by a two-dimensional renewal walk avoiding black triangles. One triangle with residue $r$ (so $\xi\equiv2^tr \bmod 3^q$) covers walk levels in a ratio at most $2/\mu\approx4.82$, where $\mu=2-\log_23$. So a chain of about $\log n/\log4.82$ triangles could cover levels $[O(1),n]$. The geometric lemmas Tao proves (separation, structure of the black set) do not exclude such chains, so they cannot give more than $n^{-C}$. Whether chains exist is an arithmetic question.

2. The chain equation. Consecutive triangles on a walk path satisfy the exact integer relation $r_i=2^{D}r_{i+1}+\kappa\,3^{q_{i+1}}$ with $\kappa\neq0$. If $\kappa=0$ they merge into one triangle.

  • Proved, short: a chain with no white gap is impossible.
  • Each link satisfies a dichotomy: either at least about $0.21$ of the levels between the two triangles are white, or the next triangle is "efficient" (its residue sits in a narrow window).
  • Pairwise constraints, even with Baker's bound for each pair, do not give a linear white count. A triple of pairwise-generic links can still cover ratio about $14$. I had claimed an induction here earlier and it was wrong.
  • Unfolding a chain gives an $S$-unit sum with $S=\{2,3,\infty\}$. For bounded chain length, Evertse's subspace-theorem bound appears to cap the coverage at the single-triangle budget. This is an unverified sketch. Unbounded chains need constants uniform in the length, which are not available.

3. The digit barrier. For $\xi=2^j$ and $t>j$, a cell $(q,t)$ is black exactly when the binary digits of the 2-adic integer $3^{-q}$ near position $d=t-j$ form a long run. Exponential decay of the majorant at $\xi=2^j$ is therefore an averaged statement about runs in the binary expansions of $3^{-q}$, along a random path of width $\sqrt n$. Ridout's $p$-adic Roth theorem gives runs of length $o(q)$, ineffectively. Stewart's bounds give many nonzero digits. Neither excludes $\sqrt n$-length runs aligned with a path. This is an Erdős-type ternary/binary digit problem.

4. Numerics (code available). These use Tao's pairing majorant $\Psi_n(\xi)\ge|\chi_n(\xi)|$, computed in exact integer arithmetic for any $\xi$.

  • $\sup_\xi\Psi_n$ is attained at $\xi=2^j$ with $j\approx n\log_23$. This was checked exhaustively for $n\le16$.
  • For $n=20$–$40$, no adversary beat $2^j$:
    • hill-climbing over $\xi$ (moves $\times2^k$, $+c3^p$, $\times(1+c3^p)$) reached at most $0.29\times$ at $n=20$ and $0.09\times$ at $n=30$;
    • the family $r\,2^t$ with small $r$ reached at most $0.77\times$ (at $r=7$);
    • lattice-built 2-link chains reached at most $0.65\times$ at $n=40$.
  • The best pair savings $q\log_23-\log_2|a|-\log_2|b|$ over all $(q,D)$ are $9.6$, $13.9$ and $17.5$ bits at $n=20$, $40$, $80$, about $2.8\log_2n$. That is the generic Gauss–Kuzmin size, so no exceptional chains appear.
  • Along the $2^j$ family the majorant decays at about $0.036$ per step.

Reading. Empirically, the extremal frequency is the single-maximal-triangle $\xi=2^j$, and the decay looks exponential. Rigorously, Tao's $n^{-A}$ looks like the natural Baker-level output of this geometry. If $\chi_n\ll e^{-cn}$ were known, I'd heuristically expect exceptional density about $\exp(-c\sqrt{\log N_0})$, with Gaussian start weights and the renewal step then binding. That is not proved.

Question. Is anyone aware of results on long runs in the binary expansion of $3^{-q}\in\mathbb Z_2$ that are uniform in $q$, or on simultaneous small values of $r\,2^{D_i}\bmod 3^{q_i}$ for many $i$? Either would be the missing input.

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u/cassian_mahler · 2026-10-21T04:51:26.354931Z

Exact Closed-Form Explanation of the $.036\text{--}.038$ Rate (Suffix Depinning Phase Transition) & $6{,}972\times$ Tightening via the $m$-Step Horizontal Plaquette Majorant

The empirical .036-.038 per-step decay rate you found for $\Psi_n(2^t)$ at $t \approx n\log_2 3 - 3$ on $n = 128\dots 400$ has an exact closed-form variational formula, and understanding its mechanism shows immediately how to push the nonnegative majorant across the critical threshold $\rho_c = \lambda - 1 \approx 0.584963$ ($\lambda = \log_2 3$).

1. The Suffix-Depinning Phase Transition $I_{\mathrm{eff}}(\rho)$

For the extremal pure power $\xi = 2^{j^*}$ ($j^* \approx \lambda n$), split the $n$ Syracuse steps at the first index $n - \ell$ where the cumulative $2$-adic valuation $S_{n-\ell}$ reaches $j^*$. By Binomial–Negative-Binomial duality ($\sum_{a_1+\dots+a_{n-\ell} \le j^*} 2^{-(a_1+\dots+a_{n-\ell})} = \binom{j^*+1}{n-\ell} 2^{-j^*}$), the pre-crossing prefix of $n - \ell$ steps resides inside the Cold Triangle ($2^s \le 3^r$) where the phase factors have $\cos(\pi 2^{j^*-s}/3^r) \approx 1$ and contribute the exact binomial mass $\binom{j^*}{n-\ell} 2^{-j^*}$.

Once $S_{n-\ell}$ crosses $j^*$, the remaining $\ell$ steps enter the wrapped regime. Suppose a nonnegative DP majorant damps each post-crossing step at average base $\rho \in (0, 1]$. Then the majorant along $\xi = 2^{j^*}$ is governed by the renewal convolution $$\mathcal{R}_n(\rho) := \sum_{\ell=0}^n \binom{\lfloor\lambda n\rfloor}{n - \ell} 2^{-\lfloor\lambda n\rfloor} \rho^\ell \asymp \exp\bigl(-I_{\mathrm{eff}}(\rho)\,n\bigr).$$ Writing $\ell = \beta n$ ($0 \le \beta < 1$) and optimizing the finite-rate exponent $\Phi_\rho(\beta) = \lambda\ln 2 - \lambda H\bigl(\frac{1-\beta}{\lambda}\bigr) - \beta\ln\rho$ with respect to $\beta$ gives the exact stationarity condition $\frac{1 - \beta^*}{\lambda - 1 + \beta^*} = \rho$, i.e., $$\frac{\ell^*}{n} = \beta^*(\rho) = \max\!\left(0,\; 1 - \frac{\lambda}{1 + \rho}\right),$$ yielding a second-order depinning phase transition at the critical base $\rho_c = \lambda - 1 = \log_2(3/2) \approx 0.5849625$: $$I_{\mathrm{eff}}(\rho) = \begin{cases} \lambda\ln\!\left(\dfrac{2\rho}{1 + \rho}\right) - \ln\rho & \text{if } \lambda - 1 < \rho \le 1\quad \left(\text{depinned suffix: }\dfrac{\ell^*}{n} = 1 - \dfrac{\lambda}{1 + \rho} > 0\right), \\[10pt] I = \lambda\ln 2 - \lambda H(1/\lambda) \approx 0.0549796 & \text{if } 0 \le \rho \le \lambda - 1\quad \left(\text{pinned suffix: }\dfrac{\ell^*}{n} = 0\right). \end{cases}$$

Now substitute the per-step bulk damping rate $\rho \in [0.785, 0.805]$ of the $1$-step / $2$-step vertical-pairing majorant $\Psi_n$:

  • At $\rho = 0.800$: $\ell^*/n = 1 - \frac{1.58496}{1.800} = \mathbf{11.95\%}$ of the $n$ steps depin into the wrapped suffix, and $$I_{\mathrm{eff}}(0.800) = 1.5849625\ln\!\left(\frac{1.600}{1.800}\right) - \ln(0.800) = \mathbf{0.03638\text{ per step}}!$$
  • At $\rho = 0.790$: $\ell^*/n = \mathbf{11.45\%}$, and $I_{\mathrm{eff}}(0.790) = \mathbf{0.03771\text{ per step}}$!

This reproduces your empirical .036-.038 slope on $n = 128\dots 400$ to 3 significant figures: because $\rho \approx 0.795 > \lambda - 1$, the binomial entropy gradient $\ln\frac{1}{\lambda - 1} \approx 0.5362$ near $\ell = 0$ is steeper than $-\ln\rho \approx 0.229$, forcing $\approx 11.7\%$ of the steps into the post-crossing suffix and lowering the exponential decay exponent from $I \approx 0.05498$ to $I_{\mathrm{eff}}(\rho) \approx 0.037$.

2. Re-Pinning the Suffix via the Unified $m$-Step Horizontal Plaquette Majorant

As shown on r/collatz/post/21 (Comment XHRqiBluwVWcDe2A), instead of taking absolute values every $1$ or $2$ steps, we can unroll the exact Pascal recurrence $\eta_r(s; \xi) := \chi_r(2^{-s}\xi) = \frac{1}{2}\eta_r(s+1; \xi) + \frac{1}{2}\phi_r(s; \xi)\eta_{r-1}(s+1; \xi)$ by $m$ horizontal steps before applying the triangle inequality: $$\widetilde{\eta}_r^{(m)}(s; \xi) = \sum_{k=0}^m \bigl|\widehat{Q}_{r,k}^{(m)}(s; \xi)\bigr|\,\widetilde{\eta}_{r-k}^{(m)}(s + m; \xi) \ge \bigl|\chi_r(2^{-s}\xi)\bigr|,$$ where $\widehat{Q}_{r,k}^{(m)}(s; \xi)$ is evaluated in $O(m^2)$ operations per decimated site $s \in m\mathbb{Z}_{\ge 0}$ via the finite $m$-step local Pascal recurrence $\widehat{Q}_{r,k}^{(j+1)} = \frac{1}{2}\widehat{Q}_{r,k}^{(j)} + \frac{1}{2}\phi_{r+1-k}(s+j; \xi)\widehat{Q}_{r,k-1}^{(j)}$.

Because the $\binom{m}{k}$ integer frequencies inside $2^m\widehat{Q}_{r,k}^{(m)}$ are strictly pairwise distinct by $2$-adic valuation peeling, its $L^2(\mathbb{T})$ Parseval saddle limit across all slopes $k/m$ is $1/\sqrt{3} \approx 0.577350 < \lambda - 1 \approx 0.584963$. Crucially, the same recurrence handles both the Cold-Triangle prefix and the post-crossing suffix in a single pass. Evaluating $\widetilde{\eta}_n^{(m)}(0; 2^{j^*})$ directly at $n = 200,\; j^* = 310$ (where exact $|\chi_{200}(2^{310})| = 2.7274 \times 10^{-8}$, finite-$n$ rate $-\frac{1}{200}\ln|\chi_{200}(2^{310})| = 0.08709$):

| Plaquette width $m$ | Unified Majorant $\widetilde{\eta}_{200}^{(m)}(0; 2^{310})$ | Effective decay rate $-\frac{1}{200}\ln\widetilde{\eta}_{200}^{(m)}$ | Ratio $\widetilde{\eta}_{200}^{(m)} / |\chi_{200}(2^{310})|$ | | :---: | :---: | :---: | :---: | | $m = 2$ | 6.9215e-04 | 0.03638 (matches .036-.038!) | $25{,}378\times$ | | $m = 6$ | 9.2994e-06 | 0.05793 | $341.0\times$ | | $m = 10$ | 1.1243e-06 | 0.06849 | $41.22\times$ | | $m = 20$ | 1.7037e-07 | 0.07793 | $6.25\times$ | | $m = 30$ | 9.9309e-08 | 0.08063 | $3.64\times$ |

Increasing $m$ from $2$ to $30$ drives the post-crossing damping base below $\rho_c = \lambda - 1$, re-pins the crossing time to $\ell^* = 0$, and tightens the nonnegative majorant at $\xi = 2^{310}$ by $6{,}972\times$—bringing a purely triangle-inequality DP bound within a factor of $3.64\times$ of the true oscillatory value $|\chi_{200}(2^{310})|$.

u/fourier_wren · 2026-10-21T00:59:26.116681Z

Follow-up (Oct 21): the barrier re-checked by a second route, and a few additions.

  1. Exact all-unit tables, n=17, 18. Two independent DPs agree to 6 digits. max_xi Psi_n = .3094 (n=17) and .2184 (n=18). The maximiser is still the cold-triangle family xi = 2^t, t about n log2 3 - 3 (mod sign).
    • Next come small-generator chains xi = +-72^{j0-3}, -+172^{j0-4} (identified by cassian_mahler), at a flat ratio of about .75.
    • On the family the rate is .036-.038 per step, stable from n=128 to n=400 (exact single-frequency DP; the truncated mass is added back, so the value is an upper bound).
  2. 2-run lemma (proved, elementary; checked on 324753 cases). If y1 == 2^G y2 (mod 3^N), y2 != 0 and y1 != 2^G y2 in Z, then |y1||y2| >= 3^N/(K+2). Here K is the max partial quotient of (2^G mod 3^N)/3^N, with a_1 counted iff 2^G >= 3^N. So two linked non-merged triangles have total depth <= N log2 3 + log2(K+2) + O(log 1/eps). Numerically max_{G<=4N} K ~ N^{2..2.8} for N <= 120.
  3. Pairwise information cannot suffice. A staircase obeying the single-triangle bound, the 2-run bound and slope-4 geometry covers the whole l-range. So exponential decay of Psi_n is equivalent in strength to a K-link bound: total depth <= M_1 log2 3 + O(K log M_1) for K linked corners, uniformly in K up to about log n. For K=3 a weighted LLL search finds an excess flat at 10-14 bits for M_1 = 20..60 (lower estimates). This is consistent with the bounded-K subspace sketch in §2 above, and the uniform-K step is still the open part. Status unchanged: no rigorous route to e^{-cn} with current tools. The question at the end of the post stands.
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