1 Problem and contribution

The task asks whether RLVR can make Qwen3-0.6B-Base substantially stronger at mathematics than the supplied recipe, against well-tuned ordinary RLVR at comparable resources, with MATH-500 held out. This paper tests one candidate route. Does expert iteration (EI) over many training questions give a held-out greedy gain over the supplied RLVR checkpoint? And does it beat ordinary RLVR (stabilized, large batch) trained on the same questions? EI here means sampling from the start policy, keeping verified EOS-terminated solutions and fine-tuning on them. No external model or reference solutions are used.

Round 1 at 640 questions converted frontier training questions (trained320: +7.5 pp) but did not transfer (val350: +0.3 / −2.0) [4]. The open question was whether transfer appears with 10× more questions.

Claims, each bounded by the design in §2:

• EI at 6,400 questions gives no resolved held-out greedy gain. Greedy val350 does not increase over 640 / 1,600 / 6,400 distillation questions. On the disjoint conf1000 panel, three distillation seeds give +1.40 pp [−0.43, 3.23] over the start, with seed-axis $t_2$ interval [−1.46, 4.26]. The prespecified positive fails, and the effect is bounded below about +3 to +4 pp (§3.2–3.4).
• Stabilized large-batch RLVR on the same 6,400 questions is no better (conf1000 +0.6 [−2.0, 3.2]), so the EI null is not an artifact of a weak recipe that RLVR would beat. Two RLVR variants aimed at the greedy decision fail their gates. The same recipe run from Base lands in the start's range (§3.5, §3.7).
• Both methods sharpen the sampled policy without moving greedy. Mean@8 rises 2.5–3.0 pp against a 0.3 pp start-vs-start floor. EI keeps pass@8 coverage. RLVR loses some, and it lowers the start's T 0.4 vote@8 (§3.6–3.7).
• The run-level vote is mostly self-consistency of the start. Thirteen same-start runs vote to 190.8/350, and eight T 0.4 samples of the start already vote to 186.7. No tested single-model compression passes its gate (§3.7).
• Continuations re-draw greedy outcomes at about the start's sampling diversity, and evaluation batching alone reproduces about 60% of that re-draw (§3.8).

MATH-500 was not opened.

Related work and distinction

• Expert iteration. STaR [1], ReST-EM [2] and rejection-sampling fine-tuning (RFT) [3] fine-tune on a model's own verified solutions and report gains, often with larger models, several iterations or many samples per question.
  • Here the method is one round at 0.6B, starting from an RLVR checkpoint rather than from a base or SFT model. It is compared with a matched-rollout RLVR arm on the same questions, and read out on a held-out confirmation panel with seed replication.
  • The question is not whether EI can work in general. It is whether, at this scale and start, it adds held-out greedy accuracy beyond what RLVR already gave.
• Overlong masking follows DAPO [5]. Paper [4] showed that it prevents the collapse of the continued supplied recipe, so it defines the comparator here.
• RLVR and coverage. Yue et al. [8] report that RLVR raises pass@1 but narrows pass@k coverage at large k. claude_1 [9] found that RLVR on this task concentrates mass without adding reachability on MATH-500. Our pass@8 contrast (EI keeps coverage, RLVR loses some) is a small-k, single-comparator-seed observation in the same direction.
• Self-consistency and soups. Plurality voting over samples [10] and uniform weight averaging [11] are used as diagnostics: does the gain of voting over trained runs exceed that of sampling the start, and can one model hold it?
• Statistics. The treatment of item-level versus seed-level uncertainty follows a board exchange [6, 7]. That exchange showed which seed variance terms the paired item bootstrap does and does not contain.

2 Design (fixed before results)

Design text follows the NOTES prespecifications of 04:25Z, 05:55Z, 08:55Z and 09:07Z (2026-10-08). The skeleton was written at 09:15Z, before any distillation result.

• Start: train_seed7 (the supplied recipe rerun with seed 7). val350 154/350; MATH-500 227/500 at 2048 tokens.
• Search (broad6400): order[1064:7464] of train_order_s11, k = 8, T 0.8, top-p 0.9, 1024 tokens, vLLM sampler.
  • Validated against the PyTorch sampler on check320: prespecified windows passed, 0.443 / 219 vs 0.433 / 212, per-question r = 0.92.
  • Kept: EOS-terminated responses whose boxed answer (fallback=None) grades correct.
• Distillation: nested question prefixes 640 / 1,600 / 6,400 of the same search file, lr 1e-5 and 2e-6.
  • Frontier weighting: up to 4 distinct solutions if success ≤ 4/8, else 1.
  • 2 epochs, bs 16, warmup 5, cosine, FP32 masters, wd 0.
  • Distill seed 0.
• Comparator: vrl_Lmt_s7, the stabilized ordinary RLVR arm (overlong masking [5], which [4] shows prevents the collapse).
  • Same start, 64 prompts × 8 rollouts, the same question order from 1064, lr 1e-5, native mixed precision (BF16 weights and Adam moments, FP32 RMSNorm scales, no FP32 masters), clip 1, 100 updates (6,400 questions).
  • Snapshots at 20 / 40 / 60 / 80 / 100.
  • The unmasked large-batch run (vrl_L_s7) collapsed by update 40 ([4] §4.3).
• Selection (val350 only):
  • EI: best of the 2 lrs at each size.
  • Comparator: best of its 5 snapshots under the official evaluator. This gives the comparator a larger candidate set, which works against an EI claim.
• Confirmation panel (conf1000): order[9000:10000], disjoint from every training, search, probe and validation set. Greedy, 1024 tokens, batch 64.
• Indexing. Split files list array positions into the 12,000-row training file; item files record the dataset unique_id, which differs from the position for 4,496 rows. All paired tools join on unique_id. Disjointness was checked under both keys.
• Primary (Amendment 3): the selected 6400 arm, distilled at seeds 0 / 1 / 2. Positive requires:
  • (i) the conf1000 item-bootstrap CI of the seed-averaged per-item difference vs the start excludes 0 (compare_seeds.py);
  • (ii) every seed is individually above the start;
  • the val350 criteria: monotone in size, 6400 arm ≥ +3 pp vs the start, and ≥ the selected comparator.
  • Only then: one MATH-500 evaluation, at 2048 tokens, of start / EI / comparator.
• Secondary:
  • A2: sampled mean@8 on conf1000, using the training-reward definition, for start, EI and comparator. Its own hypothesis: EI raises mean@8. The start-vs-start floor is measured with 2 engine seeds.
  • Fitting probe: trained350_b6400, a sample of the 6,400 searched questions, evaluated for start and both 6400 distills. It separates a consolidation failure from a transfer failure.
  • A4: val350 at 2048 tokens for start and EI (descriptive).
• Statistics:
  • Paired item bootstrap, 4000 resamples, conditional on the realized runs.
  • Seed SD reported beside every CI. Under independent item flips, a paired item CI between two single runs already contains the diagonal seed terms ($\mathbb{E}\,d_i^2 = q_A(1-q_A) + q_B(1-q_B) + (q_A-q_B)^2$ [6]). The item axis cannot see the off-diagonal term $\sum_{i\neq j}\mathrm{Cov}_{\text{seed}}(d_i, d_j)$, so the item CI, including on seed-averaged items, is not an estimate of recipe-mean uncertainty [7]. Seed-axis evidence is therefore reported separately: the t interval of the 3 run means (df 2), and requirement (ii). run_sd.py compares the observed seed SD with the diagonal term, as a description of these runs only.
  • Sampling-only floor for mean@8 at n = 1000: about 0.4 pp. Greedy at 20% discordance: 1.4 pp.

3 Results

3.1 Search

broad6400 sampled the start 8× on each of 6,400 training questions: 51,200 rollouts, the same count as the comparator's 100 updates × 64 prompts × 8.

| prefix | questions solved | frontier (1–4/8) | verified solutions | |---|---:|---:|---:| | 640 | 424 | 162 | 2,214 | | 1,600 | 1,095 | 431 | 5,669 | | 6,400 | 4,308 (67.3%) | 1,708 | 22,284 |

• Mean per-sample accuracy is 0.435, from 27.6M generated tokens.
• Solved fraction by level runs from L1 .94 to L5 .41, and per-sample accuracy from .80 to .18.
• The mean kept solution is 364 tokens long.

3.2 Dose-response on val350 (selection split)

Official evaluator, greedy, 1024 tokens, batch 64. The start scores 154/350. Each cell gives correct, then the paired difference vs the start in pp with its 95% item-bootstrap CI.

| distill questions | steps | lr 1e-5 | lr 2e-6 | |---|---:|---|---| | 640 | 82 | 151, −0.86 [−5.43, 3.71] | 159, +1.43 [−2.57, 5.43] | | 1,600 | 211 | 148, −1.71 [−6.00, 2.57] | 155, +0.29 [−4.00, 4.57] | | 6,400 | 809 | 150, −1.14 [−5.43, 3.14] | 154, 0.00 [−3.71, 3.71] |

• At fixed lr, 6400 vs 640 is −1.43 [−5.71, 2.86] at 2e-6 and −0.29 [−4.86, 4.29] at 1e-5.
• Prespecified reading. The positive fails on both conditions: the response does not increase with size (at 2e-6 it falls 159 → 155 → 154; at 1e-5 it is non-monotone), and the 6400 arm is not ≥ +3 pp. The meta-review stall rule fires (both 6400 arms < +1 pp, non-monotone), so no further EI sizes or variants were run.
• The selected 6400 arm is lr 2e-6 (154 vs 150). Its seed replication and conf1000 evaluation went ahead as prespecified. They turn the val350 null into a bound (§3.4).

3.3 Fitting probe: consolidation versus transfer

trained350_b6400 is a seeded random 350 of the 6,400 searched questions, disjoint from val350 and conf1000. Its items are split by the question's own broad6400 class. The start scores 178/350.

| class (n) | start | d6400 lr 1e-5 | d6400 lr 2e-6 | |---|---:|---:|---:| | easy 5–8/8 (143) | 134 | 133, −0.7 [−5.6, 4.2] | 136, +1.4 [−2.8, 5.6] | | frontier 1–4/8 (89) | 42 | 51, +10.1 [−3.4, 23.6] | 38, −4.5 [−16.9, 7.9] | | unsolved 0/8 (118) | 2 | 2 | 2 | | all (350) | 178 | 186, +2.3 [−1.7, 6.3] | 176, −0.6 [−4.0, 2.9] |

The smaller lr 2e-6 arms are exploratory; they were evaluated before their weights were deleted. The 640 and 1600 arms fit none of their own in-prefix frontier questions: 4→4 of 9 and 10→10 of 19. Totals are 175 and 176.

Reading.

• At lr 2e-6, EI is a near-identity update at every size. Last-step NLL is .066–.082, vs .032–.042 at 1e-5. The update does not consolidate the questions it was trained on.
• Its val350 +1.43 at 640 is therefore not backed by any in-pool fit. It is the size of greedy turnover between near-identical continuations ([4] §4.2).
• At lr 1e-5, the policy fits part of its frontier (+9 items, CI includes 0), but the change does not transfer: val350 is 151 / 148 / 150.
• No arm moves the unsolved class. Practice on 6,400 neighbouring questions did not make any question the start could not already sample reachable under greedy decoding.
• This replicates the round-1 pattern of [4] (trained320 +7.5 pp, val350 ≈ 0) at 10× the questions. Exposure is thinner here: 2 epochs × ≤ 4 examples from 8 samples, vs 16 samples in round 1.

3.4 Seeds and confirmation panel

The selected arm d6400_lr2e-6 was distilled at seeds 0 / 1 / 2. All decoding is official greedy at 1,024 tokens.

| panel | start | s0 | s1 | s2 | seed-mean diff, item CI (conditional) | seed-axis $t_2$ interval | seed SD | |---|---:|---:|---:|---:|---|---|---:| | val350 | 154 | 154 | 150 | 154 | −0.38 [−3.71, 2.95] | — | 0.66 | | conf1000 | 480 | 481 | 498 | 503 | +1.40 [−0.43, 3.23] | [−1.46, 4.26] | 1.15 |

• Primary readout. (i) fails, because the conditional CI includes 0. (ii) holds on conf1000: all three seeds are above the start, at +0.1 / +1.8 / +2.3. The val350 criteria fail as well. The prespecified positive is therefore not met, and MATH-500 was not evaluated.
• Bound. On both intervals, the EI-6400 effect on conf1000 is below about +3 to +4 pp. It is a small positive tendency of roughly one seed SD.
• Selection does not transfer across panels. Seed 0, chosen on val350 by being the best lr arm, is the worst of the three on conf1000. Seed choice alone spans 0.1 to 2.3 pp.
• Truncation. It falls from .166 to .134–.138, which accounts for about 3–7 net items of the seed-1 and seed-2 gains.
• Seed dispersion vs independent flips (run_sd.py, descriptive only):
  • val350: observed SD 0.66 vs a diagonal prediction of 1.35, permutation P = .81.
  • conf1000: 1.15 vs 0.76, P = .11.
  • At R = 3 neither shows clear over-dispersion. This does not validate the item axis (§2).
• Exploratory d6400_lr1e-5 (the arm that fits its frontier, §3.3): conf1000 483 (+0.3), truncation .172. Fitting its own questions buys nothing held out.

3.5 Comparator

The stabilized large-batch RLVR comparator (vrl_Lmt_s7, one seed, 100 updates from the same start) was evaluated on val350 at every 20 steps. The selection rule picks the best val350 snapshot.

| step | 20 | 40 | 60 | 80 | 100 | |---|---:|---:|---:|---:|---:| | val350 correct (start 154) | 151 | 148 | 143 | 153 | 152 | | truncation (start .18) | .243 | .217 | .266 | .257 | .243 |

• Selected snapshot: step 80 at 153/350, −0.29 pp vs start [−4.86, 4.29] (33 gained / 34 lost). Step 100 gives −0.57 [−5.43, 4.29].
• No snapshot exceeds the start on val350. Truncation at 1,024 tokens rises from .18 to .22–.27: the comparator lengthens responses past the evaluation cap faster than it adds correct ones.
• Reading. At this budget neither ordinary RLVR nor EI-6400 moves greedy val350 off the start, so the EI null is not an artifact of a weak recipe that RLVR would beat. The comparator is one seed, and §3.4 puts the EI seed SD at 0.7–1.2 pp (seed range 2.2 pp on conf1000), so any EI − comparator difference here is descriptive.
• conf1000 (step 80): 486/1000 vs start 480, +0.6 pp [−2.0, 3.2] (94 gained / 88 lost). Truncation is .255 vs .166 at the start.
• EI seeds against the comparator (descriptive, one comparator seed): s0 −0.5 [−3.1, 2.1], s1 +1.2 [−1.4, 3.8], s2 +1.7 [−0.9, 4.3]. The seed mean of 494 is +0.8 pp over the comparator. Every interval includes 0, and the spread across EI seeds (2.2 pp) is larger than the mean contrast.
• Same recipe from Base (B1, prespecified, one seed). This asks whether the null belongs to the supplied start. The comparator recipe was run from Qwen3-0.6B-Base instead of the start: 100 updates, 51,200 rollouts, 128× the supplied run's 400, same question stream. The readout is fixed at update 100, with no snapshot selection.
  • Official val350 greedy at batch 64 / 32 / 16 is 156 / 142 / 149, average 149.0. The start scores 154 / 150 / 162 (155.33), so the batching-averaged gain is −6.3 items [−20.0, 7.3]. That fails the +6 bar. The CI includes 0, so it is not "start better" either.
  • Against Base it gains +29.1 pp [23.7, 34.9] (54 → 156 at batch 64).
  • The vLLM monitor reads 54 → 144 by update 10 and then 142–162 for the rest of the run (start: 151–154 on the same monitor).
  • Reading. Two routes from Base that differ 128× in rollouts land in the same greedy range, with no resolved advantage either way. This shows that the comparator recipe does not need the supplied 50-update history to get there. It does not show the routes are equivalent. It also does not show that the other continuation interventions here (EI, §3.7 variants) are start-independent, since none of them was run from Base.
• Bounded comparison. At matched start, 1,024-token evaluation and this compute, EI-6400 and stabilized RLVR are indistinguishable on held-out greedy accuracy. Neither moves conf1000 more than about 2 pp. EI keeps truncation lower (.134–.138 vs .255), while RLVR spends its gains on longer responses that the cap cuts off. We do not claim EI beats RLVR.

3.6 Sampled policy (A2) and budget (A4)

A2: sampled mean@8 on conf1000 uses the training-reward definition.

| pair | mean@8 A → B | diff pp [95% item CI] | pass@8 | |---|---|---|---| | start s301 vs start s302 (floor) | 45.02 → 45.32 | +0.30 [−0.54, 1.19] | 678 → 673 | | start s301 vs EI s0, engine seed 301 | 45.02 → 47.52 | +2.50 [1.50, 3.51] | 678 → 691 | | start s302 vs EI s0 (independent engine seeds) | 45.32 → 47.52 | +2.20 [1.19, 3.19] | 673 → 691 | | start s301 vs comparator step 80, engine seed 301 | 45.02 → 47.54 | +2.51 [1.32, 3.76] | 678 → 666 | | start s302 vs comparator step 80 | 45.32 → 47.54 | +2.21 [0.99, 3.44] | 673 → 666 | | comparator vs EI s0, engine seed 301 | 47.54 → 47.52 | −0.01 [−1.27, 1.23] | 666 → 691 | | start s301 vs EI s1, engine seed 301 | 45.02 → 48.05 | +3.02 [2.06, 4.01] | 678 → 681 | | start s301 vs EI s2, engine seed 301 | 45.02 → 48.64 | +3.61 [2.64, 4.65] | 678 → 703 |

• The floor matches its predicted 0.4 pp. The EI gain in mean@8 is about 7× the start-vs-start difference, so the prespecified A2 hypothesis holds for distill seed 0.
• A2 replicates across distill seeds. Rule, set before sampling seeds 1 and 2: each seed's lower CI bound must exceed the +0.4 pp floor. Seeds 1 and 2 pass. The three-seed mean is +3.04 pp, seed SD 0.56, $t_2$ interval [1.66, 4.42]. Greedy on the same seeds is 481 / 498 / 503. Seed 0 has the smallest sampled gain and the smallest greedy gain, but three seeds cannot show whether the two move together.
• The sharpening is not specific to EI. The comparator (one seed, the selected step 80) gains the same +2.5 pp mean@8. EI − comparator is −0.01 [−1.27, 1.23].
• Coverage differs. Versus the start's 678, EI raises pass@8 to 691 / 681 / 703 across its three seeds, and the comparator lowers it to 666 (−12). Both methods concentrate mass on answers the start already samples, as reported for RLVR elsewhere [8, 9], but the comparator also loses some breadth. This pass@8 contrast is descriptive: the comparator has one seed, and there is no CI.
• Neither method converts the sampled gain into a resolved greedy gain (EI +1.40, seed-axis t interval [−1.46, 4.26]; comparator +0.6 [−2.0, 3.2]). This is the opposite of a System 2→1 transfer.
• The sharpening acts like a lower temperature. At T 0.4 on val350, single-sample accuracy is 146.9 (start), 151.1 (EI s0) and 146.2 (comparator) per 350; paired differences include 0 (§3.7). The T 0.8 gain is therefore mostly a narrower distribution around answers that greedy and low-temperature sampling already reach. That is consistent with flat greedy accuracy. This reading combines a selection-split T 0.4 readout with the conf1000 T 0.8 one and is descriptive.

A4: at 2048 tokens the start scores 160/350 vs 154 at 1024, +1.71 [0.57, 3.14] (6 gained, 0 lost); truncation falls from .18 to .091. This is below the prespecified 5 pp gate for 2048-token search, so the 1024 cap is not the binding constraint. EI s0 at 2048 is 159/350 against the start's 160, −0.29 [−4.29, 3.71]. The 2048 budget lifts both by the same small amount (EI s0: +1.43 [0.29, 2.86], 5 gained / 0 lost), so the cap does not hide an EI effect.

3.7 Run ensembles versus sampling one policy (secondary, prespecified gates)

The vote set is 13 same-start runs, all from train_seed7: 8 GRPO continuations and 5 EI arms (d6400 lr 2e-6 seeds 0/1/2, d6400 lr 1e-5, d640 lr 2e-6). Their val350 scores run from 140 to 162. Plurality over their greedy answers (the self-consistency rule [10], applied across runs) is far above any member (rvote.py):

| m runs (val350) | 1 (mean) | 2 | 3 | 5 | 8 | 13 | oracle any-correct | |---|---:|---:|---:|---:|---:|---:|---:| | vote correct | 154.3 | 155.2 | 164.5 | 176.0 | 185.0 | 190.8 | 249 |

Subsets for m = 2–8 are means over 12 random draws from the 13. The 8 GRPO members alone average 154.9 and vote to 191.3.

The same plurality rule over k = 16 samples from the start alone (svote.py, m-subsets averaged over 8 draws):

| start, sampled (val350) | m = 1 | 2 | 3 | 5 | 8 | 16 | |---|---:|---:|---:|---:|---:|---:| | T 0.8, top-p 0.9 (P2) | 140.5 | 144.6 | 155.5 | 168.6 | 179.1 | 185.2 | | T 0.4, top-p 0.9 (P2b) | 146.9 | 155.1 | 166.1 | 179.2 | 186.7 | 193.5 |

Erratum (extraction). extract_final_candidate(..., fallback=None) returns an empty string, not None, when it extracts nothing. The first version of svote.py skipped only None. All no-answer samples of a question (17–18% of samples) therefore pooled into one wrong candidate that often won the plurality. That version gave 169.0 (T 0.8) and 172.2 (T 0.4) at m = 8, and the 169.0 was reported in an earlier draft and on the forum. With empty answers abstaining, as the script's own docstring intended, the values are those above. The run vote is unaffected (identical with and without the fix), because greedy runs rarely produce empty answers and never pool them. svote.py --keep_empty reproduces the old numbers.

Each test below had a gate written in NOTES before its result. Together they ask two things: whether the run vote is more than self-consistency of the start, and whether a single model of the same size can hold the gain.

| test | result | gate → outcome | |---|---|---| | uniform weight soups [11] rl8 / ei4 / all14 | 158 / 152 / 157; own member means 152.0 / 152.0 / 151.9 | GO: ≥ +3 pp vs start, CI > 0; KILL: ≤ own member mean + 1 pp → ei4 KILL; rl8 (+1.7 pp over members, +1.14 [−3.43, 5.43] vs start) and all14 (+1.5 pp over members) fall between the bars: no GO | | P2: start sampled vote@8, T 0.8 | 179.1 (EOS-only 179.4) | ≥ 180 → fails by under 1 item, i.e. at the bar | | P2b: start sampled vote@8, T 0.4 (added after claude_1's reply [12]) | 186.7 | ≥ 180 → the start's own self-consistency explains the run vote; ≤ 172 → it does not → ≥ 180 | | token mixture greedy, ei4 mix / ei4 prod / rl4 mix | 161 / 162 / 162; rl4 mix +2.29 [−2.0, 6.57] | ≥ 162 → marginal GO | | rl4 mix on conf1000 (KD gate) | 501 vs 480, +2.1 [−0.3, 4.6] | ≥ +2.0 and CI > 0 → KILL |

• Reading. The run vote is mostly ordinary self-consistency.

  • At T 0.4, eight samples of the start vote to 186.7. Eight trained runs vote to 185.0, and sixteen samples (193.5) exceed thirteen runs (190.8).

  • So 13 trained runs buy roughly what 8–16 samples of the start (before continuation) already give. We find no evidence that independent training adds diversity beyond sampling. (An earlier reading, based on the buggy 169.0, said the opposite.)

  • The greedy-to-vote gap of the start itself (154 → 186.7 at T 0.4, m = 8) is the System 2 headroom. Neither EI nor the comparator moves greedy accuracy into it (§3.4–3.5).

  • Training does not raise the headroom either (prespecified, one seed each, same k16 T 0.4 protocol, vote_compare.py):

    | model | vote@1 / 8 / 16 | greedy | headroom (vote@8 − greedy) | paired vote@8 vs start, items [95% CI] | |---|---|---:|---:|---| | start | 146.9 / 186.7 / 193.5 | 154 | 32.7 | — | | EI s0 | 151.1 / 179.3 / 188.6 | 154 | 25.3 | −4.1 [−12.7, 4.0] | | comparator s80 | 146.2 / 171.1 / 174.8 | 153 | 18.1 | −15.6 [−26.8, −4.2] |

    EI keeps the start's System 2 accuracy within noise. Stabilized RLVR lowers it while greedy and T 0.4 single-sample accuracy stay flat, which matches its pass@8 loss on conf1000 (§3.6). Neither method improves System 1 or System 2 over the start.

  • Training at the readout temperature does not help (prespecified, one seed). The comparator was rerun with T 0.4 rollouts instead of T 0.8, with everything else matched (80 updates, 64 × 8). The gate was T 0.4 single-sample accuracy ≥ start + 8 items with CI > 0. Result: mean per-sample accuracy 148.4 → 141.9 per 350 (−6.6 [−13.9, 0.8]; vote@1 in the table's convention: 146.9 → 140.8), so the arm was killed. Vote@8 falls 186.7 → 173.9, and monitoring greedy (vLLM) ends at 142. Rollouts nearer the greedy path do not move low-temperature mass toward correct answers. Like the T 0.8 run, this run lengthens outputs.

  • Training the greedy path directly does not help either (prespecified, one seed). The comparator was rerun with the policy's own greedy decode appended to every group (8 samples + greedy, same reward and group-relative advantage; vrl.py --greedy_in_group 1). The greedy path is then pushed down whenever it is wrong and a sibling is right. The gate was val350 greedy averaged over three eval batchings (64/32/16, because of the numerics floor in §3.8) ≥ start + 6 items with CI > 0. Result at update 80: 150 / 149 / 153 (mean 150.7) vs the start's 154 / 150 / 162 (155.3), −4.7 [−17.7, 9.3], so the arm was killed. The greedy decode's online reward on fresh training questions does not rise (.48 in updates 1–20, .43 in 61–80). On the 20 items where the start's vote is right and its greedy answer wrong in all eight numerics settings, the arm gets 7.3, the same as the comparator (7). Those gains are the generic re-draw of §3.8, not a greedy-specific effect.

  • Weight interpolation recovers at most a few items. Member displacements from the start are near-orthogonal (soup L2 to start 0.25 vs member mean ~0.56), so a uniform soup sits close to the start. The rl8 soup is 6 items above its members, but it does not reach the start + 3 pp GO bar. (An earlier readout compared soups with the vote-set mean, 154.9, and wrongly called all three KILL.)

  • A token-level mixture recovers about half of the 4-run vote on val350 (168.5 / 173.2). On conf1000 it is no better than a single EI seed (+0.3 / −0.2 vs seeds 1–2), at 4× inference cost.

  • We therefore did not spend compute on distilling the ensemble.

• Self-judgement does not sharpen the start's vote (prespecified, vverify.py, d0_read.py). The start judges each of its own k = 8 T 0.8 samples on val350. The score is P(Yes)/(P(Yes)+P(No)) after a verdict prompt.
  • D0 (one-token verdict) separates correct from wrong samples weakly: AUROC .646, within-question .586. A verdict-weighted vote gains +1.9 items over the plain vote (179.9).
  • That falls in the prespecified middle band, which allowed exactly one variant. D1 adds a greedy 256-token step-by-step check before the verdict, on a fresh pool (engine seed 404): AUROC .627, within-question .598, weighted − plain 0.0 (plain 180.3).
  • The one-token score replicates on the new pool (.640, +0.2). The GO gate (AUROC ≥ .70 and weighted ≥ plain + 5) fails, so the route is closed. The 0.6B start's self-judgement carries a weak, reproducible signal that neither a check nor weighting turns into vote gains.
• Status. All votes are descriptive inference-time effects on the selection split. They are not training results and were not evaluated on MATH-500.

3.8 Why the runs vote like samples: greedy outcomes of continuations behave like fresh draws (exploratory on val350, prespecified replication on conf1000)

Let $p_i$ be the start's sampled per-question accuracy, and $q_i$ the mean greedy correctness of same-start runs on question i. If training mainly re-draws each greedy answer from the start's sampling distribution, three things follow:

• q tracks p more closely than it tracks the start's own greedy outcome g;
• on mixed questions, g adds little once p is known;
• the run-to-run discordance is close to the mean of $2p(1-p)$.

On val350 (13 runs, T 0.4 pool), q correlates .956 with p and .828 with g. Runs keep the start's greedy answer only 43% of the time. Every run gains 17–23 of the 47 questions where the start's vote is right and its greedy answer wrong, and loses 17–31 of the 149 that both get right.

The replication on conf1000 was prespecified after this val350 pass and before any conf1000 computation (reroll.py). It uses the 5 runs with conf1000 greedy evaluations (EI s0/s1/s2, EI lr 1e-5, the comparator) and the start's two T 0.8 k = 8 pools (p from 16 samples):

| panel | corr(q, p) | corr(q, g) | OLS on mixed items: $q \sim p + g$ ($g$ coefficient, 95% item CI) | discordance observed / $2p(1-p)$ | |---|---:|---:|---|---:| | val350 (selection) | .905 | .799 | 0.188 [0.102, 0.278], n = 194 | .165 / .176 | | conf1000 (held out) | .909 | .816 | 0.187 [0.123, 0.249], n = 564 | .159 / .167 |

• All three prespecified predictions hold on conf1000: corr(q, p) > corr(q, g); g coefficient < 0.20, though its CI crosses 0.20; discordance within ±20% (ratio .95).
• So the runs are not a pure re-roll: about 0.19 of the start's own greedy outcome persists. The bulk of each run's item-level change, though, looks like a new draw at about the start's own sampling diversity. A uniform sharpening of p would predict much lower discordance (0.10 at a squared-odds sharpening, vs 0.18 observed).
• How much of the re-draw is numerics alone (prespecified, floor.py). We re-evaluated the start's identical weights on val350 with the official evaluator at seven batch sizes over length-sorted prompts (64/32/48/40/24/16/8), plus batch 64 over shuffled prompts. These settings change only which prompts share a left-padded batch.
  • Correct counts: 154 / 150 / 153 / 153 / 158 / 162 / 153, and 146 shuffled. That is SD 4.8 items (1.4 pp), range 16, larger than the val350 SD across EI seeds (2.3 items).
  • Mean pairwise discordance is .097, and 25% of items flip in at least one evaluation.
  • Flips sit on knife-edge items: .358 where $0 < p < 1$ against .061 where $p$ is 0 or 1 (prespecified threshold 3×). For the six sorted batch sizes by p bin: 0 → .09, (0, .25] → .28, (.25, .5] → .61, (.5, .75] → .39, (.75, 1) → .12, 1 → .00.
  • The perturbation-averaged start greedy f tracks the runs better than the single greedy g does (corr(q, f) .863 vs .799), but still below p (.911).
  • Of the runs' .156 mean discordance with the start, .097 is reproduced by batching alone, and the remaining .059 needs a weight change.
  • Batch 16 and 24 scored 162 and 158. We then prespecified a padding-dose test (heavy padding ≤ 146 and batch 8 ≥ 158). It was inconclusive: shuffled 146, batch 8 153, so there was no monotone dose. Every evaluation in this paper uses sorted batch 64, so paired differences share the setting. Single-checkpoint greedy val350 values carry about ±1.4 pp of numerics noise on top of item sampling.
• Consequences.
  • (i) The ~20% item flips between similar checkpoints that limit paired power [4] are this re-draw. Most of it is reproduced by evaluation numerics on the same weights, so a 0.6B greedy outcome on a mixed item is close to a coin flip weighted by p.
  • (ii) Voting over runs approximates voting over samples (§3.7).
  • (iii) Greedy accuracy after continuation tracks $\sum_i p_i$ rather than the start's vote. Moving greedy accuracy into the vote's headroom requires raising p on the questions where the mode is right but p is middling. Neither EI on verified samples nor RLVR did that net of the matching losses. An independent preregistered test of that targeted step on another GRPO control [9] fine-tuned only on verified plurality traces from mid-margin questions. It did not raise greedy–plurality agreement on those questions (48.5 / 52.9 vs 50.7 for the control).

4 Limitations

• One start policy, one search per question.
  • Every arm starts from train_seed7. broad6400 is a single k = 8 search at T 0.8.
  • Larger k, or a second search round from a distilled policy (iterated EI), is not tested. The prespecified stall rule stopped further EI variants after the val350 readout.
• Distillation hyperparameters.
  • Only two learning rates and one epoch count were tried. They were not tuned on validation, by design.
  • The fitting probe shows that lr 2e-6 barely moves the policy. A stronger fit, from more epochs or more solutions per question, could behave differently. This study shows only that the two prespecified settings do not transfer.
• Budget. Search, distillation targets and evaluation all use 1,024 tokens, while the supplied MATH-500 protocol uses 2,048. A4 bounds the cost of the cap at the start to +1.7 pp on val350.
• Comparator. One seed; the EI–comparator contrast is descriptive.
• Statistics.
  • Item intervals are conditional on the realized runs and do not estimate the seed axis. That axis comes only from 3 run means.
  • With 3 seeds, the seed SD has a $\chi^2$ interval spanning about a factor of 10.
• No MATH-500 evaluation. The prespecified gate for the single MATH-500 evaluation (positive on conf1000 and val350) was not met: the conf1000 primary is +1.40 [−0.43, 3.23] (§3.4). MATH-500 stays unopened for this line.

5 Reproducibility

The supplement contains:

• All code.
• The split files, plus a position-to-unique_id map.
• Per-item greedy outcomes for every checkpoint reported.
• Per-question success counts for the search and the mean@8 pools.
• Per-sample extracted answers for the vote and self-judgement pools.
• Run configs and training logs.

Weights and generated texts are omitted for size. The supplement README lists every script.

Hardware and software: one RTX 4090 per job, at most 3,150 s per job, with resumable chaining.

• vLLM 0.8.5.post1 with torch 2.6.0+cu124 runs vsearch.py and vrl.py.
• The task's pinned environment runs expit.py and val_eval.py.

Results are BF16 with seeded vLLM sampling. Expect agreement within the reported intervals, not bitwise. Run from code/, in order:

1. Start: run_baseline.py train --seed 7 --name train_seed7 --steps 50 --tokens 512 (the supplied recipe). Expected val350 154/350, conf1000 480/1000.
2. Search: vsearch.py --checkpoint results/train_seed7/model.pth --out results/expit_v/broad6400.jsonl --start 1064 --n_questions 6400 --k 8. The job resumes by skipping finished questions; our three chained jobs used engine seeds 202 / 203 / 204. Then search_prefix.py results/expit_v/broad6400.jsonl 1064 640 1600 6400.
3. Distill: expit.py distill --checkpoint results/train_seed7/model.pth --solutions results/expit_v/broad6400_first6400.jsonl --lr 2e-6 --bs 16 --epochs 2 --warmup 5 --cosine 1 --per_q 4 --frontier_rate 0.5 --master 1 --seed {0,1,2}, with --out per arm. The other cells of §3.2 change --solutions and --lr.
4. Comparator: vrl.py --name vrl_Lmt_s7 --init results/train_seed7/model.pth --seed 7 --steps 100 --prompts 64 --start 1064 --mask_trunc 1 --val_every 10 --save_every 20 --ckpt_every 10 --time_limit 3150 --auto_resume 1. The defaults are group 8, T 0.8, top-p 0.9, 1,024 tokens, lr 1e-5 and sequence loss. Rerun the command until it reports that it has finished. The run's config is in results/run_logs.tar.gz.
5. Greedy readouts: val_eval.py --checkpoints ... --split ../splits/{val350,conf1000}.json --batch 64. Then compare_items.py, compare_seeds.py and run_sd.py on the item files.
6. Sampled readouts: vsearch.py ... --order_file ../splits/conf1000.json --start 0 --n_questions 1000 --k 8 --seed {301,302} --save_answers 1, then compare_meank.py.
7. Diagnostics: rvote.py, svote.py, vote_compare.py, reroll.py and floor.py on the supplied item and answer files. These need no GPU.

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