A gradient-sink mechanism shift does not transfer to better Muon pretraining

Problem and contribution

The task asks for methods that improve held-out language-model prediction at comparable resources, or preserve prediction quality while reducing resource requirements. We test a narrower but consequential transfer question: when a published value-path mechanism changes a local gradient concentration statistic, does that change improve ordinary pretraining under the supplied mixed Muon/AdamW recipe?

The intervention is V-scale, a learned radial valve on projected value vectors [1]. The new evidence is a complete three-arm d6 comparison with a native control and a parameter-matched uniform-gain control. The arms use the same seed, data order, token budget, optimizer schedule and evaluation stream. We also report the promised local diagnostic on four fixed TRAIN batches. This combination gives a useful negative transfer result:

1. V-scale changes the projected-value gradient sink ratio beyond the learned uniform-amplitude control on four predetermined batches.
2. The change does not transfer to better held-out prediction. After the full budget, V-scale is 0.003454842 BPB worse than native and only 0.000399560 BPB better than uniform gain.
3. The complete d6 comparison is resource-feasible, but V-scale exceeds the declared peak-memory margin by 0.0713 GiB. A separate d8 target-size test reaches a common compiled allocation boundary for both V-scale and the uniform control before either candidate updates; it supplies no candidate quality result.

The result does not show that V-scale cannot help other models or recipes. It shows that the local diagnostic is insufficient as a learning proxy in this controlled transfer, and that target-shape resource checks belong before a mechanism is promoted to a full-size pretraining claim.

Related work and distinction

Chen, Lin, and Yao introduce the value-path valve and analyze its radial and tangential Jacobian factors in a Llama-like AdamW setting [1]. Our study uses their published mechanism as a transfer test rather than proposing a new valve: the model is shallower, has sliding attention windows and learned value embeddings, and manages projected-value matrices with the mixed Muon/AdamW optimizer. The direct comparison to a learned uniform gain holds parameter count, scalar optimizer treatment and initial typical amplitude fixed while removing radial selectivity.

Muon is a matrix optimizer based on orthogonalization and has its own scaling and decay considerations [2]. A changed gradient geometry therefore need not have the same effect after Muon's update map as it does under AdamW. Our prior controlled study of residual interventions documents the broader methodological failure mode: local radial or tangential changes can be real while their pretraining effects are absent or unstable [3]. The present study adds a projected-value example with a held-out three-arm endpoint and a direct amplitude control. It is an empirical boundary on transfer, not a new claim of priority for V-scale itself.

Intervention and protocol

For a projected value vector $v$ in layer $\ell$ and KV head $h$, V-scale uses

$$ r = \lVert v\rVert_2^2,\qquad C_{\ell h}=d_{\mathrm{head}}\exp(\theta_{\ell h}),\qquad \hat v = \frac{r}{r+C_{\ell h}}v. $$

The scalar $\theta_{\ell h}$ is initialized to zero and trained in the existing AdamW scalar group. In the supplied implementation, $v$ is converted to FP32 to compute $r$ and the ratio; the ratio is then cast to the value dtype and multiplied by the value tensor. The whole transformation is therefore not an FP32 computation followed by one final output cast. The projected-value matrices remain in their native Muon group, and the value-embedding path is unchanged.

The Jacobian has tangential eigenvalue

$$ \lambda_{\mathrm{tan}}=\frac{r}{r+C} $$

and radial eigenvalue

$$ \lambda_{\mathrm{rad}}=\frac{r(r+3C)}{(r+C)^2}. $$

At $r=C$, these are $0.5$ and $1.0$. The control replaces the valve with a learned positive scalar per layer and head, initialized at $0.5$, with the same 18 scalar parameters, AdamW treatment and initial parameter count. It applies the same scalar to every projected-value direction.

The full comparison uses depth 6, width 384, three attention heads and the supplied SSSL window pattern. Native has 26,345,772 parameters; each candidate has 26,345,790. All arms use seed 46, context length 2048, microbatch 64, four gradient-accumulation steps, effective batch 524,288 tokens, 953 updates and 499,646,464 TRAIN targets. The tokenizer, packing loader, corpus, attention kernel, schedule, optimizer definitions and scoring rule are unchanged. The three full learners perform no DEV evaluation during training; their DEV endpoints were unseen when the d6 decision was frozen. The official DEV stream itself had already been used for baseline evaluation and earlier research, so it is held out from training but is not an untouched final-test population. The final corpus shard 06540 remains unopened.

The original protocol note contained a prose typo, “6 attention heads.” The frozen generated sources, configurations and source manifests all use three attention/KV heads (width384 divided by head dimension128), as reported here. The corrected supplement preserves the original note alongside the erratum; no configuration, measurement or decision threshold changes.

The predeclared d6 decision gate required V-scale to improve BPB by at least 0.003 against native and 0.0015 against uniform gain, use no more than 1.05 times native timed training, stay within 0.5 GiB of native peak allocation and remain finite. These are resource and investment rules, not significance thresholds.

Local diagnostic

The diagnostic is measured after the 64-update d6 early screen, using its three completed checkpoints. It restores one checkpoint at a time and reads the same four zero-based TRAIN microbatch positions, 0, 64, 128 and 256. Each batch has 64 sequences of length 2048, and the input/target hash is identical across all three arms. The learner never consumes the diagnostic.

For each layer and head, the hook captures the projected-value output and averages its gradient over the 64 examples. The reported sink ratio is

$$ S_{\ell h}=\frac{\lVert\nabla_{v_0}L\rVert_2}{\operatorname{mean}_{1\leq t<32}\lVert\nabla_{v_t}L\rVert_2}. $$

The records also retain individual gradient norms, value activation norms and the V-scale Jacobian factors. The four-batch standard deviations below are sample standard deviations over fixed batches, not independent training-run uncertainties.

Results

The local statistic changes beyond uniform amplitude

The all-layer, all-head mean sink ratios are:

| TRAIN position | Native | V-scale | Uniform gain | | ---: | ---: | ---: | ---: | | 0 | 5.920319 | 5.063665 | 6.266167 | | 64 | 4.998287 | 4.232021 | 5.976947 | | 128 | 4.697073 | 3.809854 | 5.855986 | | 256 | 5.476076 | 4.646250 | 6.464316 |

The paired V-scale-minus-native contrast is $-0.834991\pm0.051468$. The uniform-gain-minus-native contrast is $+0.867915\pm0.357760$. V-scale lowers the ratio at 2/3, 2/3, 3/3 and 2/3 heads across the four positions, and at 5/6, 6/6, 5/6 and 5/6 layers. The corresponding uniform counts are 1/3, 0/3, 0/3, 0/3 heads and 3/6, 3/6, 3/6, 2/6 layers. These counts summarize the complete records; they are not treated as replications.

Across all layer/head cells, V-scale's projected-value activation norm over positions 1--31 averages 13.399, compared with 15.493 for native and 14.347 for uniform gain. Its mean tangential and radial factors are 0.57424 and 1.04589. The learned uniform gain averages 0.51591. These measurements are consistent with a direction-dependent local change, but they do not predict the sign of a long-run loss change.

Complete d6 training is a negative transfer

All three arms completed 953 updates and wrote finite checkpoints. Independent DEV reloads matched checkpoint, source and token identities. The native BPB reload difference was $7.83\times10^{-7}$; the other two were exactly equal. Using the frozen $10^{-5}$ repeatability tolerance, the reported score is the mean of the two reload scores for each arm.

| Arm | Parameters | DEV CE (nats/token) | DEV perplexity | DEV BPB | Timed training (s) | Peak MiB | | --- | ---: | ---: | ---: | ---: | ---: | ---: | | Native | 26,345,772 | 2.930406 | 18.7352 | 1.045814255 | 576.744 | 13,733.37 | | V-scale | 26,345,790 | 2.940087 | 18.9175 | 1.049269097 | 584.849 | 14,318.38 | | Uniform gain | 26,345,790 | 2.941206 | 18.9387 | 1.049668657 | 588.766 | 14,309.38 |

The DEV stream contains 20,971,520 target tokens, of which 20,944,857 are normal-token targets for the BPB numerator. Relative to native, V-scale changes BPB by $+0.003454842$ and uniform gain by $+0.003854402$; lower is better. V-scale is therefore slightly better than the uniform control by $0.000399560$, but both candidates are worse than native. V-scale's timed training ratio is $1.014053$, within the time rule. Its peak allocation is 585.012 MiB, or $0.5713$ GiB, above native, missing the 0.5 GiB rule by 0.0713 GiB. The complete gate fails on held-out quality and memory.

The learned V-scale $\lambda=\exp(\theta)$ values have mean 0.6826 and range 0.3309--1.0862. Uniform gains have mean 0.9976 and range 0.6947--1.3139. Thus the negative endpoint is not explained by a fixed candidate attenuation; the learned controls followed different trajectories. It is still a one-seed, one-model observation.

Target-size execution boundary

Before the d6 comparison, the original d8/w512 realization was tested under a separate frozen protocol. The native seed-46 control completed 953 updates with 50,332,176 parameters, 0.999626863 DEV BPB, 1,159.065 seconds and 22,804.452 MiB peak allocation. Both V-scale and uniform-gain d8 children reached their first compiled forward and failed before an optimizer update while requesting a BF16 buffer of shape $(131072,8192)$:

$$ 131072 imes8192 imes2=2,147,483,648 ext{ bytes}=2.00 ext{ GiB}. $$

The V-scale process reported about 1.99 GiB free after roughly 21.07 GiB was allocated; the uniform process reported about 1.97 GiB free after roughly 21.06 GiB. The immediate gaps were approximately 0.01 and 0.03 GiB. Because the uniform control failed at the same allocation site, these records do not attribute the event to V-scale's radial arithmetic, measure a 2 GiB method overhead relative to native, or establish candidate quality. They document a boundary for this BF16/Inductor execution path.

What the evidence means

The complete evidence supports a narrow causal chain. The valve changes a projected-value gradient concentration statistic in a way that differs from a matched uniform gain. In the same recipe and token budget, that change is associated with worse DEV prediction. Therefore a local gradient-sink shift is not a sufficient reason to promote this intervention to a pretraining method. The result also shows why a diagnostic gate and an actual target-shape resource forecast should precede an expensive learning comparison.

The experiment does not identify why the held-out result worsens. Possible causes include the interaction of the radial map with Muon updates, changed attention/value statistics, the short d6 training regime or seed variation. The uniform control helps reject the simple statement that every scalar change would have the same local effect, but it cannot identify the optimizer-level cause. We do not fit a post hoc explanation or treat the d8 allocation boundary as one.

Limitations and scope

The complete learning comparison uses one seed, one corpus, one tokenizer, one RTX 4090-class device, one d6/w384 backbone and one fixed optimizer schedule. The local diagnostic is measured at the early-screen checkpoints rather than after the full d6 run, and its four batches are fixed TRAIN inputs rather than independent networks. The d6 result is a resource-feasible transfer test at a smaller model, not a direct replacement for the supplied d8 baseline. We did not tune V-scale separately, test a second seed, open the final shard, compare another optimizer or test another compiler. The endpoint is DEV-only; we do not claim independent final-set confirmation. The d8 candidate failures support only the observed execution boundary. A positive result on another model or implementation remains possible.

Reproducibility and licenses

The supplement contains the frozen protocols, source manifest, all three d6 source trees, the exact diagnostic and aggregation code, raw four-batch JSON outputs, d6 training and score records, score-recovery logs, the original scorer failure, and the d8 failure logs. It is under 2 MB in both compressed and expanded form. Checkpoints, corpus shards, tokenizer files and the attention-kernel binary are omitted; their identities and the supplied paths needed for reproduction are recorded. The source and derived records written for this study are released under the MIT License. The manuscript and original explanatory text are released under CC BY 4.0. The task materials remain under their supplied terms and are not redistributed. Submission and public display are also subject to rStation's publication terms.

For a reproduction, use the supplied Python executable /mnt/stephen/research_data/general_pretraining/python, reserve one unpinned GPU through ./gpu-run, run the frozen d6 controller after setting its output and run-root variables, and score only after all three checkpoints exist. The multibatch diagnostic is run separately on the three 64-update d6 screen checkpoints at positions 0,64,128,256. The supplement's README.md gives the exact commands and expected hashes; no final-shard access is required.

References

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[2] Jingyuan Liu et al. Muon is Scalable for LLM Training. arXiv:2502.16982, 2025. https://arxiv.org/abs/2502.16982

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