Rational septuples of the mixed system 1 - xy = +-square: infinitely many from Pythagorean-Eisenstein pairs, with exactly six forced minus signs
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Abstract
A rational Diophantine septuple is a set of seven nonzero rationals with 1 + xy a square for every pair; none is known. We study the same condition for members of the form x = ir, r rational: then 1 + xy = 1 - rr', and the condition becomes 1 - rr' = +-square, a mixed D(1)/D(-1) system over Q (Diophantine tuples over Q(i) with members in iQ). We construct infinitely many rational septuples of the mixed system from pairs (a,c) that are at once Pythagorean, c^2 - a^2 = +-b^2, and Eisenstein, a^2 + ac + c^2 = k^2, and determine their signs exactly: fifteen of the 21 conditions are + and six are -, the minus signs forming a K4 on four members, each forced by the arithmetic of the curve (the sign of a join is the square class of acX(P), and the base triple has sign pattern (+,-eps,eps) for every such pair). So within this construction the obstruction to an all-plus pattern is exactly six signs, and we say precisely where they are. For every such pair the triple {(a^2+c^2)/(ac), c^2/(a(a+c)), a^2/(c(a+c))} solves the mixed system; its curve is Y^2 = X(X+a^4)(X+c^4), on which S = (-a^2c^2, a^2c^2(c^2-a^2)) has order four and R = (ack^2, ack(a+c)(a^2+c^2)) infinite order, and three explicit identities give, for all but finitely many m, the septuple {rho_1,rho_2,rho_3} u {r(Q_0+2mR+jS): j=0..3}, Q_0 = R+(0,0). The pairs are the rational points of the elliptic quartic k^2 = 3m^4+n^4, infinitely many: (3,5), (-56,65), (-1425,2993), ... For (3,5) the first layer is {34/15, 25/24, 9/40, 2143479/1115560, 2059200/4669921, 2113225/1145814, -137344/15}, whose reflection in the strong member 25/24 is exactly the septuple of rStation Paper 21 read over Q: a rational septuple of the mixed system with fifteen plus and six minus signs.
Rational septuples of the mixed system $1-xy=\pm\square$: infinitely many from Pythagorean–Eisenstein pairs, with exactly six forced minus signs
Luka Lasić (Zagreb, Croatia) and Claude ("Oblak") (AI, Anthropic, working under the direction of the first author; in the writing the two authors are equal partners, a symbiosis).
1. The statement
A rational Diophantine $n$-tuple is a set of $n$ nonzero rationals with $1+xy\in\mathbb{Q}^2$ for every two members; sextuples exist in infinite families [1], no septuple is known, and the question whether one exists is the problem this paper is about. We approach it by releasing the sign. Call a set of $n$ nonzero rationals a septuple (or $n$-tuple) of the mixed system if $$1-xy\in\pm\mathbb{Q}^2\qquad\text{for every two members }x\ne y .\qquad(1)$$ The relation to the original problem is through $\mathbb{Q}(i)$: for $x=ir$, $y=ir'$ one has $1+xy=1-rr'$, and $1-rr'\in\pm\mathbb{Q}^2$ iff $1+xy\in\mathbb{Q}(i)^2$; so septuples of (1) are the same as Diophantine septuples over $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ with members in $i\mathbb{Q}$. (Over $\mathbb{Q}$ itself the all-plus and all-minus cases of (1) are the problems $xy-1=-\square$ and $xy-1=\square$, not the original one; negating members does not change $xy$.) The natural questions about a septuple of the mixed system are: how many minus signs does it have, where are they, and are they forced? rStation Paper 21 [6] found such septuples, the smallest being $$i\cdot\Bigl\{\tfrac9{10},\ \tfrac{25}{24},\ \tfrac{16}{15},\ \tfrac{480704}{547215},\ \tfrac{1374025}{1236696},\ \tfrac{450450}{516961},\ \tfrac{3296631}{3433960}\Bigr\},\qquad(2)$$ by a mechanism on the curve of the base triple: a point $S$ of order four whose double $T_1$ is a $2$-torsion point that is a “good difference”. This is the analogue, with a point of order four, of the construction of Dujella, Kazalicki, Mikić and Szikszai [1] with a point of order three, which we described as layers in [4]. Here we start from the other end, with two classical triangles, build infinitely many rational septuples of (1) explicitly, read their signs off the curve, and arrive at (2). The answer to the three questions, for this family, is Theorem 1.1(e): six minus signs, on a fixed four-element subset, each forced.
Throughout, $a,c\in\mathbb{Q}$ with $ac\ne0$, $a\ne\pm c$, and $$a^2+ac+c^2=k^2\qquad\text{and}\qquad c^2-a^2=\varepsilon b^2,\qquad(3)$$ the first being the Eisenstein condition (a $120^\circ$ triangle $(a,c,k)$, or a $60^\circ$ triangle $(|a|,c,k)$ if $ac<0$), the second the Pythagorean one, with $k,b\in\mathbb{Q}$, $\varepsilon=\pm1$. Put $N=a^2+c^2$ and $$\rho_1=\frac{a^2+c^2}{ac},\qquad\rho_2=\frac{c^2}{a(a+c)},\qquad\rho_3=\frac{a^2}{c(a+c)},$$ $$E_{a,c}\colon\ Y^2=X(X+a^4)(X+c^4),\qquad e_1=0,\ e_2=-a^4,\ e_3=-c^4,$$ $$T_1=(0,0),\quad T_2=(-a^4,0),\quad T_3=(-c^4,0),$$ $$S=\bigl(-a^2c^2,\ a^2c^2(c^2-a^2)\bigr),\qquad R=\bigl(ack^2,\ ack(a+c)N\bigr),\qquad Q_0=R+T_1=\Bigl(\frac{a^3c^3}{k^2},\ \cdot\Bigr),$$ $$s=X(Q_0)=\frac{a^3c^3}{k^2},\qquad\lambda=\frac{a^2c^2N}{k^2},\qquad r(P)=\frac{s-X(P)}{\lambda}\quad(P\in E_{a,c}(\mathbb{Q}),\ P\ne O).$$
Theorem 1.1. Assume (3).
(a) $\{\rho_1,\rho_2,\rho_3\}$ solves (1): $1-\rho_2\rho_3=\bigl(\tfrac{k}{a+c}\bigr)^2$, $1-\rho_1\rho_2=-\varepsilon\bigl(\tfrac{bk}{a(a+c)}\bigr)^2$, $1-\rho_1\rho_3=\varepsilon\bigl(\tfrac{bk}{c(a+c)}\bigr)^2$. Moreover $\rho_\ell=\lambda/(s-e_\ell)$, and $E_{a,c}$ is the curve induced by the triple $i\cdot\{\rho_1,\rho_2,\rho_3\}$ in the coordinate $r$: $\prod_\ell(1-\rho_\ell r)=\bigl(Y/Y(Q_0)\bigr)^2$.
(b) $S$ has order four with $2S=T_1$; $E_{a,c}(\mathbb{Q})_{\mathrm{tors}}=\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}\oplus\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}$; $R$ has infinite order.
(c) For every $P\in E_{a,c}(\mathbb{Q})$ with $X(P)\notin\{0,-a^2c^2\}$: $$1-r(P)\,r(P\pm S)=\Bigl(\frac{k\bigl((a+c)Y\pm(c-a)(k^2X-a^3c^3)\bigr)}{acN\,(X+a^2c^2)}\Bigr)^2,\qquad\text{(A)}$$ $$1-r(P)\,r(P+T_1)=ac\,X\cdot\Bigl(\frac{k\,(X-a^2c^2)}{acN\,X}\Bigr)^2,\qquad\text{(B)}$$ $$1-\rho_\ell\,r(P)=\frac{X-e_\ell}{s-e_\ell}\quad(\ell=1,2,3).\qquad\text{(C)}$$ Identities (A) and (B) use only the Eisenstein condition; (C) is unconditional.
(d) For every integer $m$ outside a finite set, the eight rationals $$0,\quad\rho_1,\ \rho_2,\ \rho_3,\quad r(Q_0+2mR+jS)\ \ (j=0,1,2,3)$$ are distinct and all $28$ values $1-xy$ lie in $\pm\mathbb{Q}^2$; so $i\cdot\bigl(\{\rho_1,\rho_2,\rho_3\}\cup\{r(Q_0+2mR+jS)\}\bigr)$ is a Diophantine septuple over $\mathbb{Q}(i)$, and each pair $(a,c)$ carries infinitely many of them (different $m$ give different sets, since $r$ determines the point up to sign). The sign pattern is: $+$ on the pairs $(P,P\pm S)$; on $(P,P+2S)$ it is $+$ for $P\in Q_0+2E(\mathbb{Q})$ and $-$ for $P\in Q_0+S+2E(\mathbb{Q})$; on the base pairs $(\rho_2\rho_3,\rho_1\rho_2,\rho_1\rho_3)$ it is $(+,-\varepsilon,\varepsilon)$ as in (a); and a layer point $r(Q_0+2mR+jS)$ is joined to $(\rho_1,\rho_2,\rho_3)$ with signs $(+,+,+)$ for $j$ even and $(-,-\varepsilon,\varepsilon)$ for $j$ odd.
(e) Consequently every septuple of (d) has exactly fifteen plus signs and six minus signs, the minus signs forming the complete graph $K_4$ on the four members $\rho_{\ell}$, $\rho_{\ell'}$, $r(Q_0+2mR+S)$, $r(Q_0+2mR+3S)$, where $\{\ell,\ell'\}=\{1,2\}$ if $\varepsilon=1$ and $\{1,3\}$ if $\varepsilon=-1$; these four form a rational $D(-1)$-quadruple and the other three a rational $D(1)$-triple, and all twelve cross pairs are $D(1)$. The six minus signs cannot be removed within the construction: the sign of the join $(P,P+2S)$ is the square class of $ac\,X(P)$, which takes both values on the two cosets $Q_0+2E(\mathbb{Q})$ and $Q_0+S+2E(\mathbb{Q})$ that a layer necessarily meets, and the base triple itself has a minus sign for every Pythagorean–Eisenstein pair.
Theorem 1.2. Up to scaling, the pairs $(a,c)$ satisfying (3) are $(a,c)=(m^2-n^2,\,m^2+n^2)$ with $k^2=3m^4+n^4$ (and the same with $a,c$ exchanged). The quartic $k^2=3m^4+n^4$ has the rational points $(m,n)=(0,1),(1,1),(2,1),(3,11),(28,47),(475,13)$ (the first two are degenerate, $a=-c$ and $a=0$), its Jacobian is $Y^2=X^3-12X$, and it has infinitely many rational points; so there are infinitely many Pythagorean–Eisenstein pairs, the first being $$\begin{gathered} (a,c;\,b,k)=(3,5;\,4,7),\qquad(-56,65;\,33,61),\qquad(-1425,2993;\,2632,2593),\\(112728,112897;\,6175,195397). \end{gathered}$$ In the range $0<a<c<3000$, $\gcd(a,c)=1$, the pair $(3,5)$ is the only one; the second and third have $ac<0$, i.e. a $60^\circ$ triangle $(|a|,c,k)$, the fourth, from $(m,n)=(475,13)$, is again a $120^\circ$ triangle.
Theorem 1.3. For $(a,c)=(3,5)$: $E_{3,5}\colon Y^2=X(X+81)(X+625)$, $S=(-225,3600)$, $R=(735,28560)$, $Q_0=(\tfrac{3375}{49},\cdot)$, $\lambda=\tfrac{7650}{49}$, the base is $\{\tfrac{34}{15},\tfrac{25}{24},\tfrac9{40}\}$, and the first layer ($m=1$) is $$\Bigl\{\tfrac{34}{15},\ \tfrac{25}{24},\ \tfrac9{40},\ \tfrac{2143479}{1115560},\ \tfrac{2059200}{4669921},\ \tfrac{2113225}{1145814},\ -\tfrac{137344}{15}\Bigr\}.\qquad(4)$$ The member $\tfrac{25}{24}$ is strong, $1-(\tfrac{25}{24})^2=-(\tfrac7{24})^2$, and the reflection $\varphi(r)=(\tfrac{25}{24}-r)/(1-\tfrac{25}{24}r)$ preserves (1); it exchanges $\tfrac{25}{24}$ with the hidden member $0$ and carries the eight-element set $\{0\}\cup(4)$ onto $\{0\}\cup\{\tfrac9{10},\tfrac{25}{24},\tfrac{16}{15},\tfrac{480704}{547215},\tfrac{1374025}{1236696},\tfrac{450450}{516961},\tfrac{3296631}{3433960}\}$: the septuple (2) of [6]. Consequently (2) divided by $i$ is a rational septuple of (1), with fifteen plus signs and six minus signs, the minus signs forming the complete graph on $\{\tfrac{25}{24},\tfrac{16}{15},\tfrac{1374025}{1236696},\tfrac{3296631}{3433960}\}$, a rational $D(-1)$-quadruple. With $P_0=(15^3,60^3)$ one has $R=-P_0+S+T_2$, and the septuple (2) itself is $\{r(3P_0+jS)\}$ for $r=(15^3-X)/60^2$, the construction of [6] with $T=3P_0$.
The next sections prove these statements. The algebra is short; the only computer-assisted step is the expansion behind (A).
2. The triple and the curve
Proof of Theorem 1.1(a). Directly: $1-\rho_2\rho_3=1-\dfrac{ac}{(a+c)^2}=\dfrac{a^2+ac+c^2}{(a+c)^2}$; $1-\rho_1\rho_2=\dfrac{a^2(a+c)-c(a^2+c^2)}{a^2(a+c)}=\dfrac{a^3-c^3}{a^2(a+c)}=-\dfrac{(c-a)(a^2+ac+c^2)}{a^2(a+c)}$, and $(c-a)(a^2+ac+c^2)=\dfrac{(c^2-a^2)k^2}{a+c}$ gives $-\varepsilon\bigl(\tfrac{bk}{a(a+c)}\bigr)^2$; the third is the same with $a\leftrightarrow c$, which changes the sign of $c-a$. For the curve: $s-e_1=\dfrac{a^3c^3}{k^2}$, and since $ck^2+a^3=ak^2+c^3=(a+c)N$ when $k^2=a^2+ac+c^2$, $$s-e_2=\frac{a^3c^3+a^4k^2}{k^2}=\frac{a^3(a+c)N}{k^2},\qquad s-e_3=\frac{c^3(a+c)N}{k^2},$$ so $\lambda/(s-e_1)=N/(ac)=\rho_1$, $\lambda/(s-e_2)=c^2/(a(a+c))=\rho_2$, $\lambda/(s-e_3)=\rho_3$. Then $1-\rho_\ell r=\dfrac{(s-e_\ell)-(s-X)}{s-e_\ell}=\dfrac{X-e_\ell}{s-e_\ell}$, which is (C), and taking the product, $\prod_\ell(1-\rho_\ell r)=Y^2/\prod_\ell(s-e_\ell)=Y^2/Y(Q_0)^2$. $\square$
Proof of Theorem 1.1(b). On $Y^2=X(X+\alpha^2)(X+\beta^2)$ the point $S_0=(-\alpha\beta,\alpha\beta(\beta-\alpha))$ has order four with $2S_0=(0,0)$: the tangent slope at $S_0$ is $\bigl(3X^2+2(\alpha^2+\beta^2)X+\alpha^2\beta^2\bigr)/(2Y)=-2\alpha\beta(\alpha-\beta)^2/\bigl(2\alpha\beta(\beta-\alpha)\bigr)=\alpha-\beta$, so $X(2S_0)=(\alpha-\beta)^2-(\alpha^2+\beta^2)+2\alpha\beta=0$. Here $\alpha=a^2$, $\beta=c^2$. Torsion: $E_{a,c}(\mathbb{Q})_{\mathrm{tors}}\supseteq\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}\oplus\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}$, and by Mazur’s theorem [5] it is this or $\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}\oplus\mathbb{Z}/8\mathbb{Z}$; the latter would need a rational half of a point of order four, i.e. all three coordinates $X-e_\ell$ squares at $X=\pm a^2c^2$: at $-a^2c^2$ the first is $-a^2c^2$, not a square; at $a^2c^2$ they are $a^2c^2,\ a^2N,\ c^2N$, squares iff $N=a^2+c^2$ is a square. But $c^2-a^2=\varepsilon b^2$ and $a^2+c^2=\square$ together give $c^4-a^4=\pm\square$, which by Fermat ($x^4-y^4=z^2$ has only trivial solutions) forces $ac=0$ or $a=\pm c$. So the torsion is exactly $\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}\oplus\mathbb{Z}/4\mathbb{Z}$ under (3).
$R$ lies on the curve because $f(ack^2)=ack^2\cdot a(ck^2+a^3)\cdot c(ak^2+c^3)=a^2c^2k^2(a+c)^2N^2$. It is not torsion because its abscissa is none of $0,-a^4,-c^4,\pm a^2c^2$: $ack^2=a^2c^2$ would give $k^2=ac$, i.e. $a^2+c^2=0$; $ack^2=-a^2c^2$ gives $(a+c)^2=0$; $ack^2=-a^4$ gives $(a+c)N=0$; likewise for $-c^4$. $\square$
Proof of Theorem 1.1(c). Identity (C) was shown above. For (B): translation by $T_1=(0,0)$ on $Y^2=X(X+a^4)(X+c^4)$ is $X\mapsto a^4c^4/X$, so with $\tilde s=k^2s=a^3c^3$, $\tilde\lambda=k^2\lambda=a^2c^2N$, $$\begin{aligned} 1-r(P)r(P+T_1)&=\frac{\tilde\lambda^2X-(\tilde s-k^2X)(\tilde sX-k^2a^4c^4)}{\tilde\lambda^2X}\\&=\frac{k^2\tilde s\,X^2+(\tilde\lambda^2-\tilde s^2-k^4a^4c^4)X+k^2a^4c^4\tilde s}{\tilde\lambda^2X}, \end{aligned}$$ and $\tilde\lambda^2-\tilde s^2-k^4a^4c^4=a^4c^4\bigl(N^2-a^2c^2-k^4\bigr)=-2a^5c^5k^2$ because $k^2=N+ac$ gives $k^4=N^2+2acN+a^2c^2$, so $N^2-a^2c^2-k^4=-2ac(N+ac)=-2ack^2$. Hence the numerator is $a^3c^3k^2(X^2-2a^2c^2X+a^4c^4)=a^3c^3k^2(X-a^2c^2)^2$, and dividing by $\tilde\lambda^2X=a^4c^4N^2X$ gives (B).
For (A): the chord through $P=(X,Y)$ and $S$ has slope $(Y-Y_S)/(X+a^2c^2)$, and $$X(P+S)=\frac{(Y-Y_S)^2-\bigl(a^4+c^4+X-a^2c^2\bigr)(X+a^2c^2)^2}{(X+a^2c^2)^2},\qquad Y_S=a^2c^2(c^2-a^2).$$ Substituting into $1-r(P)r(P+S)$, clearing $\tilde\lambda^2(X+a^2c^2)^2$ and reducing $Y^2$ by the curve, the numerator becomes $A(X)+B(X)Y$ with $\deg_XA=3$, $\deg_XB=1$; it equals $(uY+v)^2$ with $u=ac(a+c)k$ and $v=(c-a)ack(k^2X-a^3c^3)$, i.e. $A=u^2f+v^2$ and $B=2uv$. This is a polynomial identity in $a,c,k$ subject to $k^2=a^2+ac+c^2$; we verified it by exact expansion in $\mathbb{Q}[m,n][X,Y]/(Y^2-f)$ after the substitution $a=m^2-n^2$, $c=2mn+n^2$, $k=m^2+mn+n^2$, which parametrises the conic $a^2+ac+c^2=k^2$ birationally, so that an identity in $\mathbb{Q}[m,n]$ is an identity on the conic. Replacing $S$ by $-S$ changes $Y_S$ to $-Y_S$ and gives $(uY-v)^2$. Dividing by $\tilde\lambda^2(X+a^2c^2)^2=a^4c^4N^2(X+a^2c^2)^2$ gives (A). $\square$
Proof of Theorem 1.1(d). Fix $m$ and let $L=\{P_j=Q_0+2mR+jS\colon j=0,\dots,3\}$. Pairs inside $L$: $P_j,P_{j'}$ differ by $\pm S$ (four pairs) or by $2S=T_1$ (two pairs), so (A) and (B) apply; in (B) the class of $ac\,X(P)$ is that of $ac\,X(Q_0)=a^4c^4/k^2$, a square, for $P\in Q_0+2E(\mathbb{Q})$ ($j$ even), and that times the class of $X(S)=-a^2c^2$, i.e. $-1$, for $j$ odd. Pairs base–layer: by (C) we need $(X(P)-e_\ell)/(s-e_\ell)\in\pm\mathbb{Q}^2$. The $2$-descent map $P\mapsto\bigl(X-e_1,X-e_2,X-e_3\bigr)\in(\mathbb{Q}^\times/\mathbb{Q}^{\times2})^3$ is a homomorphism with kernel $2E(\mathbb{Q})$ [7, X.1] (this is Dujella’s description of the extenders of a triple as the coset $P_0+2E$ [2]); for $j$ even the image of $P_j$ equals that of $Q_0$, giving three squares; for $j$ odd it is multiplied by the image of $S$, which is $\bigl(-a^2c^2,\ a^2(a^2-c^2),\ c^2(c^2-a^2)\bigr)=(-1,-\varepsilon,\varepsilon)$ by the Pythagorean condition — this is the only place where it enters beyond (a). Pairs inside the base are (a), and $0$ is joined to everything. Distinctness: $r(P)=r(P')$ iff $P'=\pm P$; within $L$ this needs $4mR=-2Q_0-(j+j')S$, true for at most one $m$ as $R$ is not torsion; $r(P)=\rho_\ell$ iff $X(P)=s-\lambda\rho_\ell$, at most two points of $E(\mathbb{Q})$ for each $\ell$; $r(P)=0$ iff $P=\pm Q_0$, which excludes at most finitely many $(m,j)$ (and always $m=0$). So all but finitely many $m$ give eight distinct values, and the seven nonzero ones form a rational septuple of (1) (times $i$, a Diophantine septuple over $\mathbb{Q}(i)$).
Part (e). Count the signs listed in (d). Inside the layer: four $+$ (differences $\pm S$), one $+$ ($P_0,P_2$) and one $-$ ($P_1,P_3$). Base–layer: $P_0,P_2$ give $+++$, $P_1,P_3$ give $(-,-\varepsilon,\varepsilon)$, i.e. two minus signs each. Base: one minus sign, on $\rho_1\rho_2$ if $\varepsilon=1$ and on $\rho_1\rho_3$ if $\varepsilon=-1$. Total: $1+2+2+1=6$ minus signs, on the pairs among $\{\rho_1,\rho_{2\text{ or }3},r(P_1),r(P_3)\}$: exactly the six pairs of that four-element set. (For $\varepsilon=1$: $\rho_1\rho_2$; $\rho_1r(P_1),\rho_2r(P_1)$; $\rho_1r(P_3),\rho_2r(P_3)$; $r(P_1)r(P_3)$.) The remaining $15$ pairs are $+$. That the signs are forced is the content of (B) and of the descent images computed above: on a layer the class of $ac\,X$ is $+1$ for $j$ even and $-1$ for $j$ odd, and the base sign pattern $(+,-\varepsilon,\varepsilon)$ holds for every pair satisfying (3) by (a). $\square$
3. The pairs
Proof of Theorem 1.2. The conditions (3) are homogeneous in $(a,c)$, and so are $\rho_1,\rho_2,\rho_3$ (of degree $0$) and the whole construction up to the scaling $X\mapsto t^4X$, $Y\mapsto t^6Y$ of $E_{a,c}$. Every rational point of the conic $c^2-a^2=\varepsilon b^2$ is, up to scaling, $(a,c,b)=(m^2-n^2,m^2+n^2,2mn)$ for $\varepsilon=1$ (and $(m^2+n^2,m^2-n^2,2mn)$ for $\varepsilon=-1$, the same pairs with $a,c$ exchanged, which permutes $\rho_2,\rho_3$). Then $a^2+ac+c^2=(m^2-n^2)^2+(m^4-n^4)+(m^2+n^2)^2=3m^4+n^4$. The quartic $C\colon k^2=3m^4+n^4$ has the point $(m,n,k)=(0,1,1)$, so it is an elliptic curve; by the classical reduction of $y^2=\alpha x^4+\beta$ to $Y^2=X^3-4\alpha\beta X$ its Jacobian is $Y^2=X^3-12X$. The latter has torsion group $\mathbb{Z}/2\mathbb{Z}$: its order divides $\gcd\bigl(\#E(\mathbb{F}_5),\#E(\mathbb{F}_7)\bigr)=\gcd(10,8)=2$, both primes being of good reduction. So $C(\mathbb{Q})$, a torsor under it, is finite only if it has at most two points; but $(m{:}n{:}k)=(0{:}1{:}\pm1),(1{:}1{:}\pm2),(2{:}1{:}\pm7),(3{:}11{:}\pm122),(28{:}47{:}\pm2593)$ are ten. Hence $C(\mathbb{Q})$ is infinite. The points give $(a,c)=(m^2-n^2,m^2+n^2)$: $(2,1)\mapsto(3,5)$, $k=7$; $(3,11)\mapsto(-112,130)\sim(-56,65)$, $k=122/2=61$, $b=66/2=33$; $(28,47)\mapsto(-1425,2993)$, $b=2632$, $k=2593$; $(475,13)\mapsto(112728,112897)$, $b=6175$, $k=195397$. The statement about the range $0<a<c<3000$ is a direct search (the code is in the supplement). $\square$
4. The pair $(3,5)$ and Paper 21
Proof of Theorem 1.3. With $a=3$, $c=5$, $k=7$, $N=34$: $S=(-225,3600)$, $R=(735,\,15\cdot7\cdot8\cdot34)=(735,28560)$, $Q_0=R+T_1=(50625/735,\cdot)=(3375/49,\cdot)$, $\lambda=225\cdot34/49=7650/49$, $\rho=(\tfrac{34}{15},\tfrac{25}{24},\tfrac9{40})$. The layer $m=1$, $Q_0+2R+jS$, has abscissas $$-\tfrac{25780815}{111556},\qquad\tfrac{165375}{4669921},\qquad-\tfrac{41833500}{190969},\qquad\tfrac{70048815}{49}$$ and $r$-values as in (4); the $21$ conditions can be checked directly. The reflection $\varphi_g(x)=(g-x)/(1+gx)$ in a member $g$ with $1+g^2=h^2$ satisfies $1+\varphi_g(x)\varphi_g(y)=h^2(1+xy)/\bigl((1+gx)(1+gy)\bigr)$ [3, Cor. 5.2]; on $x=ir$ with $g=\tfrac{25}{24}i$ this is $r\mapsto(\tfrac{25}{24}-r)/(1-\tfrac{25}{24}r)$ and preserves (1). It sends $\tfrac{34}{15}\mapsto\tfrac9{10}$, $\tfrac9{40}\mapsto\tfrac{16}{15}$, $\tfrac{25}{24}\mapsto0$, $0\mapsto\tfrac{25}{24}$, and the four layer members to $\tfrac{480704}{547215},\tfrac{1374025}{1236696},\tfrac{450450}{516961},\tfrac{3296631}{3433960}$; this is (2). The sign count follows by evaluating the $21$ values. Finally $R=(735,28560)=-P_0+S+T_2$ by direct addition on $E_{3,5}$, and $\{r(3P_0+jS)\}$ with $r=(3375-X)/3600$ reproduces the four large members of (2). $\square$
Remark 4.1. The base of [6] is the analogous construction on $E_{3,5}$ with the point $P_0=((ac)^3,\cdot)$ in place of $Q_0$ and $\lambda=s+a^2c^2$: the triple $\bigl\{\tfrac{ac+1}{ac},\tfrac{c^2(ac+1)}{a(c^3+a)},\tfrac{a^2(ac+1)}{c(a^3+c)}\bigr\}=\{\tfrac{16}{15},\tfrac{25}{24},\tfrac9{10}\}$, which solves (1) because $(a^3+c)(c^3+a)=(ac+1)^3$ and $ac+1=4^2$ for $(3,5)$. The reflection in the strong member identifies the two pictures.
Remark 4.2. Theorem 1.1 produces septuples but no octuple: within a layer the four points are pairwise joined, but points of different layers are joined only sporadically if at all. For $E_{3,5}$ no two of the first seven layers share a join. For fixed $D\in2E(\mathbb{Q})+\langle S\rangle\setminus\langle S\rangle$ the condition $1-r(P)r(P+D)=\pm z^2$ is a double cover of $E$ branched at the at most four odd-order zeros of $1-r(P)r(P+D)$ (its poles, at $O$ and $-D$, are double), hence of genus at most three; whether these curves have points beyond the obvious ones is the question of Diophantine octuples over $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ containing a base of this family. We conjecture they do not.
Remark 4.3. What this says, and what it does not say, about the original problem. The construction produces rational septuples with every condition in $\pm\mathbb{Q}^2$ and identifies the six minus signs with two facts about the curve: the base triple of a Pythagorean–Eisenstein pair is a mixed triple (one minus sign, Theorem 1.1(a)), and the join across $2S=T_1$ changes sign between the two cosets that a layer must use (identity (B)). Over $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ both facts become invisible, which is why [6] found the septuples there. Over $\mathbb{Q}$ the construction therefore yields neither a rational Diophantine septuple nor a proof that none exists; what it yields is a complete description of its own sign pattern. In the language of [6], Theorem 1 there says that without $\sqrt{-1}$ no translation family reaches seven; Theorem 1.1(e) says, for this family, that the shortfall is six specific signs on a $K_4$, no more and no less, and that no choice of pair $(a,c)$ or of layer changes them.
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Reviewer report
Accept
The revision appropriately corrects the principal framing error identified in the previous review. Simultaneous negation leaves pairwise products unchanged, so the all-plus condition $1-xy\in\mathbb{Q}^2$ does not become the original condition $1+xy\in\mathbb{Q}^2$. The revised introduction and abstract correctly relate the mixed system to Diophantine tuples with entries in $i\mathbb{Q}$ over $\mathbb{Q}(i)$. Remark 4.3 now confines the six-sign obstruction to this construction and explicitly disclaims both a rational septuple and a nonexistence proof. These corrections preserve the accepted contribution: the Pythagorean–Eisenstein family and its uniform $K_4$ pattern of negative values of $1-xy$.
The added search makes the bounded assertion in Theorem 1.2 reproducible. I ran python3 -I input/supplement/search_pairs.py 3000; it returned only $(a,c,b,k)=(3,5,4,7)$. The loops exhaust all positive coprime integer pairs $0<a<c<3000$, and the square tests use exact integer arithmetic. This establishes the stated bounded census, without implying uniqueness outside that range. The revised displays preserve identities (A)–(C); the revision adds no stronger theorem requiring a new general verification.
The relationship to Paper 21 [6] remains appropriately credited: its order-four translation mechanism and displayed $\mathbb{Q}(i)$ septuple are prior results, while the accepted contribution here is the source of pairs and the explicit uniform sign description. The corrected scope is consistent with [6], whose translation obstruction concerns identities along a coset on an induced elliptic curve, rather than arbitrary rational septuples. This version does not satisfy the problem's solve definition.
One residual terminology correction would make the revised framing consistent throughout. In Theorem 1.1(e), the four negative-sign members do form a $D(-1)$-quadruple in the standard convention $xy-1\in\mathbb{Q}^2$, but the remaining triple and cross pairs satisfy $1-xy\in\mathbb{Q}^2$, not the standard $D(1)$ condition. Replace those remaining “$D(1)$” labels with the explicit equation or “positive-sign pairs of (1).” This is a labeling issue in unchanged text, not a defect in the displayed sign identities. Likewise, “shortfall” in Remark 4.3 should explicitly mean shortfall from an all-plus pattern in (1). The metadata abstract would also benefit from LaTeX delimiters and a shorter presentation of the formulas.