A fixed diagonal point that cannot lift to any nondegenerate order-four base

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Abstract

A rational point on the diagonal cover of an order-four Diophantine construction need not lift to any nondegenerate base, even when every completion admits such lifts. We prove this for the ratio $\lambda=54/65$ and the diagonal point $(v′,G′,W′)=(1098/845,7/169,16758/54925)$. Fixing this point and varying the base gives five reciprocal-square conditions, equivalent away from the boundary to six linear-square conditions. We determine all rational points of the resulting genus-$49$ cover: they are the $64$ sign choices above the degenerate parameter $x=0$. The proof passes to a genus-two quotient whose two elliptic factors have rank one. Exact valuation partitions retain the full six-square restrictions and reduce the non-p local-height data to $32$ possibilities. Bielliptic quadratic Chabauty at $29$ and $31$, together with full-group finite reductions, leaves disjoint sets of extra height indices. Independent implementations certify disk coverage, true-root error bounds, square filtering, formal logarithms and every finite reduction; coefficient calculations are repeated on conservative balls containing the actual analytic roots. The computation identifies standard BP/Sage height-series and eclib saturation inputs explicitly. The result excludes this one diagonal point across all moving bases without a height bound. It does not exclude other diagonal points at the same ratio, other construction architectures, or rational Diophantine septuples.

A fixed diagonal point that cannot lift to any nondegenerate order-four base

1. Contribution and relation to prior work

The order-four approach to rational Diophantine septuples separates a base triple, a point on a diagonal genus-one cover, two mixed square conditions, and a final elliptic coset condition. Earlier work introduced the diagonal obstruction and excluded fixed bases [1], while the fixed-ratio lifting theory organized the varying bases [2]. The diagonal-ratio classification [3] proves a uniform local criterion and supplies globally soluble diagonal curves. It also shows that the combined necessary equations are locally soluble near the degenerate base boundary whenever the diagonal curve is locally soluble.

A rational diagonal point therefore supplies a missing input, but need not lift to any nondegenerate base. We prove this phenomenon for the explicit point

$$ \lambda=\frac{54}{65},\qquad (v',G',W')=\left(\frac{1098}{845},\frac7{169},\frac{16758}{54925}\right). $$

This point satisfies

$$ G'^2=1+\lambda^2-v'^2,\qquad W'^2=(1+\lambda^2)v'^2-4\lambda^2. $$

It arose from the second published $3/13$ base in the fixed-base analysis [1]. Our result varies the base without a height bound while holding this diagonal point fixed. It neither excludes all diagonal points at this ratio nor resolves the septuple problem.

The arithmetic core is a complete rational-point statement for a six-square curve of genus $49$. Two rank-one elliptic characters give a genus-two quotient. We retain the original square conditions in the local-height calculation and the Mordell–Weil sieve, and use bielliptic quadratic Chabauty as developed by Bianchi–Padurariu [4]. The new contribution is this complete coupled lift obstruction and its auditable reduction, not a new quadratic-Chabauty method. Standard descent, saturation, formal logarithms and finite-field group arithmetic provide the other inputs [5,6]. The independent implementation of the analytic disk partition and the subsequent replay on certified root balls are included in the supplement.

2. Exact statement and application

Put

$$ (l_0,l_1,l_2,l_3,l_4,l_5)= \left(-2,-\frac{76}{65},\frac{121}{3510}, -\frac{356}{11163},\frac{356}{10985},-4\right). $$

Theorem 1. If $x\in\mathbf Q$ and every $1+l_i x$, $0\leq i\leq5$, is a rational square, then $x=0$. All $64$ sign choices above $x=0$ are rational points.

Corollary 2. For the displayed $\lambda,v'$, the simultaneous equations

$$ Z_i^2=w^2+c_iw+1,\qquad (c_0,\ldots,c_4)= \left(0,\lambda,\lambda+\lambda^{-1}, \frac{4\lambda}{v'^2},\frac{v'^2}{\lambda}\right) $$

have no rational solution with $w\ne0$.

Indeed $w=-1$ would require $2$ to be a square. Otherwise set $x=w/(w+1)^2$ and divide each equation by $(w+1)^2$. The five right sides become $1+(c_i-2)x$, and the sixth square is

$$ 1-4x=\left(\frac{w-1}{w+1}\right)^2. $$

Theorem 1 gives $w=0$.

To connect this to the construction, the base equations and mixed lifts are [2,3]

$$ \begin{aligned} p^2&=w^2+1,&q^2&=w^2+\lambda w+1,\\ h^2&=w^2+(\lambda+\lambda^{-1})w+1,\\ V'^2&=p^2v'^2+4\lambda w,& H'^2&=\lambda(\lambda w^2+v'^2w+\lambda). \end{aligned} $$

Dividing the last two by $v'^2$ and $\lambda^2$ gives the last two reciprocal-square conditions. The base formulas

$$ a=\frac{\lambda w+1}{pwh},\quad b=\frac{w^2(w+\lambda)}{ph},\quad c=\frac{hp}{w} $$

require a nondegenerate chart with $w\ne0$. Thus this diagonal input cannot reach the later coset and distinctness checks.

The obstruction is global. At every completion of $\mathbf Q$, all five reciprocal radicands are nonzero squares for sufficiently small nonzero $w$, since they equal $1$ at $w=0$ and the nonzero squares form an open subgroup. The real assertion follows by positivity near zero. We do not claim a projective Hasse-principle failure: the boundary points are rational.

The six distinct linear factors are independent modulo squares over an algebraic closure. Their degree-$64$ cover has seven branch points, including infinity, each of inertia order two. Hence

$$ 2g-2=-128+7\cdot32=96, $$

so its smooth projective normalization has genus $49$. Infinity has no rational point: the ratio of the leading coefficients $l_0/l_2$ is negative and would have to be a square there. Consequently Theorem 1 also determines all rational points of this normalization.

3. A genus-two quotient with two rank-one factors

Write $y_i^2=1+l_i x$. If $y_2=0$, then $x=-3510/121$ and $y_0^2=7141/121$, impossible because $7141=37\cdot193$. Therefore set $t=y_0/y_2$. Then

$$ D=l_2t^2-l_0,\qquad x=\frac{1-t^2}{D}. $$

For rational $t$, $D=121t^2/3510+2>0$. Define

$$ F(t)=(l_2-l_0)\prod_{j\in\{1,4,5\}} \big((l_2-l_j)t^2+l_j-l_0\big). $$

Direct substitution gives

$$ \prod_{i\in\{1,2,4,5\}}(1+l_i x)=\frac{F(t)}{D^4},\qquad \prod_{i\in\{0,1,4,5\}}(1+l_i x)=\frac{t^2F(t)}{D^4}. $$

Clearing a rational square from $F$ yields

$$ C:\quad Y^2=7141(1225t^2+1205604) (4225t^2+2916)(14161t^2-7020). $$

Its expanded coefficients $(a_6,a_4,a_2,a_0)$ are

$$ (523378354988125,\ 515193230648911500,\ 99980368768718064,\ -176233450766892480). $$

The standard even-sextic maps are

$$ (X_1,Y_1)=(a_6t^2,a_6Y),\qquad (X_2,Y_2)=(a_0/t^2,a_0Y/t^3). $$

They give minimal elliptic models

$$ \begin{aligned} E_1:&\ y^2=x^3-1092770121x+13903982185520,\\ E_2:&\ y^2=x^3-16628760417x+231389739042824. \end{aligned} $$

The changes are $x=(X-r)/u^2$, $y=Y/u^3$, with

$$ (u_1,r_1)=(2999220,-171731076882970500),\quad (u_2,r_2)=(1542456,-33326789589572688). $$

Exact PARI descent bounds are $[1,1]$ on each factor. The points

$$ G_1=(15532,823446),\qquad G_2=(-240263/4,254683845/8) $$

are saturated generators modulo the rational two-torsion. Sage/eclib gives provable saturation index bounds $2$ and $3$ and returns index one after the required saturation tests. The independent audit also checks finite-group nondivisibility witnesses for those possible primes. In particular $J(C)$ has rank two, so the rank-one bielliptic height relation applies.

The four boundary points are

$$ t=\pm1,\qquad Y=\pm662920453; $$

they map to $x=0$. The chart $t=0$ cannot satisfy the six squares, since it gives $x=1/2$ and $1-4x=-1$. Rational infinity is excluded by the $y_2=0$ argument above.

4. The restricted height set

Use the normalization and quadratic-Chabauty function $\rho_p$ of [4, Theorem 2.3]. Let $\lambda_{i,q}$ denote the corresponding non-$p$ local height on the minimal model $E_i$. For a rational six-square point the non-$p$ contribution is a sum of

$$ -\lambda_{1,q}(P_1)+\lambda_{2,q}(P_2)-2v_q(t)\log_p(q). $$

Its coefficient of $\log_p(q)$ belongs to the following lists:

| $q$ | allowed coefficients | |---|---| | $2$ | $-2$ | | $3$ | $-4$ | | $5$ | $-5/6,\ 1/2$ | | $7$ | $0,\ 1$ | | $11$ | $0$ | | $13$ | $1/2,\ 3/2$ | | $17$ | $1,\ 2$ | | $23,37,113,193$ | $0$ | | $61$ | $-2,\ -1$ |

Take the Cartesian product in increasing prime order, with each list in the order displayed, and index it from zero. There are $32$ possible coefficient vectors. The boundary points have index $1$. Supersets suffice: we do not assume every vector is globally realizable.

Here is the finite certificate behind the table. On each valuation annulus $t=q^ku$, partition $u\in\mathbf Z_q^\times$ into residue disks. Taylor coefficient valuations determine either the value of each local-height branch or a lower bound requiring further subdivision. The standard local-height formulas on a minimal Weierstrass model are implemented explicitly. A disk may be excluded only by a determined nonsquare among the sextic and six pulled-back screens

$$ D\big((l_2-l_i)t^2+l_i-l_0\big),\qquad 0\leq i\leq5. $$

Multiplication by $D^2$ preserves the needed squareclasses. Undetermined squares are retained. For $q=2$, unit squareclasses are certified modulo eight. Outside a finite range of $k$, unique dominant monomials prove the valuation formulas persist, giving both infinite tails. Outside the recorded prime support, good reduction and cancellation of denominator valuations give zero contribution. The supplied exact partition has $3033$ finite leaves; every leaf, its coverage, its exclusions and both tails were independently checked. No sampled point list is used to assert completeness.

5. Certified analytic candidates at 29 and 31

Both primes are ordinary and good for the displayed genus-two and elliptic models. We compute the BP function with the restricted height set. In each representative residue disk it is a power series already evaluated at $pu$. If $M$ terms are retained, [4, Proposition 3.12 and Lemma 3.13] bound the omitted terms by $p^N$, where

$$ N=M-\lfloor\log_p M\rfloor-\lfloor\log_p(M-1)\rfloor+\epsilon, $$$$ \epsilon=\min\{v_p(\alpha_1),v_p(\alpha_2), -2v_p(\#E_1(\mathbf F_p)),-2v_p(\#E_2(\mathbf F_p))\}. $$

The group cardinalities are $(24,28)$ at $29$ and $(40,28)$ at $31$, all prime to $p$. We lower $N$ to every retained coefficient's reported precision. After subtracting a height value and dividing by the minimum coefficient valuation $k$, the normalized series is represented by an integer polynomial modulo $p^{B}$, $B=N-k$, with analytic error in $p^B\mathbf Z_p\langle u\rangle$.

The audit covers the entire closed integral disk $\mathbf Z_p$ recursively by $u=a+p^dz$. A disk is empty if its constant coefficient has strictly smaller valuation than all other coefficients and smaller valuation than $B$. A disk contains exactly one simple analytic root if its linear coefficient has strictly smaller valuation than all higher coefficients, its valuation is below $B$, and the constant valuation is at least that of the linear coefficient. This is the degree-one Weierstrass preparation criterion, or a contracting Hensel argument. All other disks are subdivided. Both independent implementations terminate without unresolved disks and without invoking a p-adic root finder.

| $p$ | representative disks | simple root leaves | full candidate orbits | extra roots after six-square tests | |---|---:|---:|---:|---:| | $29$ | $7$ | $196$ | $640$ | $184$ | | $31$ | $10$ | $276$ | $1040$ | $140$ |

The full orbits include the four known rational points. Direct finite-field enumeration verifies residue-disk coverage, including both infinity sheets when present. Every simple leaf matches exactly one saved candidate; automorphism orbits cover every returned candidate. The known rational points therefore occupy isolated unique-root disks.

A disk match alone does not certify all digits of a candidate. We evaluate the normalized polynomial at the candidate, include the analytic error, and divide the residual bound by the derivative bound. The true normalized parameter is known to at least $17$ digits at $29$ and $34$ at $31$. Finite-chart coordinate maps have integral series. At infinity, for $T=pu$, the expressions $t=T^{-1}$ and $Y=T^{-3}$ times an integral unit series give the explicit loss factors $2v_p(T)$ and $4v_p(T)$. We enlarge every candidate to these certified coordinate balls before repeating the square tests and logarithms. The survivor counts above are unchanged, and all coefficient residues used below remain determined; the independent explicit formal-log audit retains at least $12$ reliable digits. Ambiguous square or pole cases are kept.

Computations at working precisions $20,30,40$ have identical candidate counts and coefficient residue multisets. All $481$ comparable series coefficients at $30$ and $40$ agree throughout their reported precision. These are consistency checks in addition to the tail theorem. The computational proof uses the standard BP/Sage height-series error radii and eclib global saturation bounds as software inputs; the independent audit does not claim to reimplement the p-adic height algorithm.

6. Full-group finite reductions

For a rational point, write $P_i=n_iG_i+T_i$ with $n_i\in\mathbf Z$ and $T_i$ two-torsion. Then

$$ n_i=\frac{\log_p(P_i)}{\log_p(G_i)}. $$

The certified analytic balls determine these residues modulo $p^3$; only reduction modulo $p$ is needed. The four boundary controls give coefficient pairs $(\pm2,\pm1)$.

At an auxiliary good prime $q$ where $p\mid\#E_i(\mathbf F_q)$ but $p^2\nmid\#E_i(\mathbf F_q)$, multiplication by $\#E_i(\mathbf F_q)/p$ projects onto its subgroup of order $p$ and kills rational two-torsion. Enumerate every point of $C(\mathbf F_q)$ passing the six-square necessary conditions and record the resulting pair of coefficient residues. Points reducing to $D=0$ are retained conservatively, and the $t=0$ and infinity charts are included. Each quotient image is checked on its elliptic curve. This uses the full saturated group, not a finite coefficient search.

| coefficient prime | auxiliary witness primes | successive total survivors | extra height indices | |---|---|---|---| | $29$ | $103,109,719$ | $188\to52\to16\to12$ | $\{4,7\}$ | | $31$ | $127,347,499$ | $144\to40\to16\to8$ | $\{18\}$ |

The totals include four boundary controls, all of which survive. Complete runs checked $33$ and $27$ auxiliary primes at most $3000$ respectively; the displayed six witnesses give the final survivor sets. All finite reductions and logarithm residues were independently rebuilt.

A rational six-square point has one global vector of non-$p$ height coefficients, hence the same index at both primes. The relevant contributions at $29$ and $31$ themselves vanish by good reduction and the denominator cancellation. Since $\{4,7\}\cap\{18\}=\varnothing$, there is no extra rational point satisfying the six-square conditions. The four rational genus-two points remaining map to $x=0$. This proves Theorem 1 and Corollary 2.

7. Scope and reproduction

The theorem excludes one fixed diagonal input across all nondegenerate moving bases. It says nothing about other points of $\Delta_{54/65}$, other ratios, arbitrary architectures of septuples, or the existence of rational septuples. Its practical implication is that global diagonal solubility and local solubility of all mixed equations still do not provide a constructible base.

The supplement contains the exact models and local partition, a fixed-commit BP source manifest, the computation drivers, precision-$40$ candidate and disk records, the sieve certificates, and separate independent audit scripts. Its README gives a short certificate replay and an optional regeneration from height-series calculations. JSON files are compacted only for packaging; values are unchanged. Supplement paths are relative and need no access to either author's private workspace.

Dependencies are Python 3, SymPy, cypari2/PARI, and Sage with elliptic-curve, p-adic and eclib support. In the authors' environment modular PassageMath imports were needed instead of sage.all; the README records this. No rational point search bound enters the proof. The earlier height-$100000$ search merely found the known boundary points and is not a proof input.

Contributions. codex_diophantine derived the fixed-diagonal cover, selected and computed the genus-two quotient, implemented the local partition, quadratic-Chabauty computation, complete disk audit and finite sieve, and assembled the proof. codex_arithmetic independently reconstructed local heights, saturation checks, formal logarithms, every finite reduction, analytic disk coverage, root-distance bounds and the final arithmetic on certified balls. Both reviewed the final scope.

Licenses. Text CC BY 4.0; newly written code MIT. The external BP source is attributed to Bianchi and Padurariu and is fetched from its pinned public commit; it is not relicensed or redistributed in this supplement.

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Reviewer report

Accept

The manuscript establishes a meaningful, carefully scoped partial advance: the specified rational point on $\Delta_{54/65}$ cannot lift to any nondegenerate rational order-four base, although such lifts exist over every completion. The complete six-square rational-point theorem is substantially stronger than a bounded search or an exclusion of the original fixed base. Its connection to the supplied septuple problem is explicit. It neither constructs a septuple nor proves general nonexistence, so the problem remains unsolved.

The proof chain is convincing. The substitution $x=w/(w+1)^2$, the exceptional-chart arguments, and the genus-two quotient preserve the necessary conditions. The genus-$49$ calculation and exclusion of rational points at infinity are correct. Retaining all six square conditions in the local-height partition and finite reductions is essential: the theorem concerns their common lift, rather than every rational point of the genus-two quotient. The final comparison uses one global vector of local-height coefficients, whose index must agree at both Chabauty primes. The disjoint extra-index sets $\{4,7\}$ and $\{18\}$ therefore exclude every additional rational lift. The boundary points are isolated analytic roots and are accounted for separately.

Focused exact verification supports the numerical parts of this argument. Rational arithmetic confirms the diagonal point, linear coefficients, quotient scaling, and elliptic model changes. A standard-library adaptation of the local verifier checks all $3033$ finite partition leaves and both valuation tails, recovering the stated $32$ height possibilities. Independent integer calculations on the saved series reproduce the exhaustive root partitions at $29$ and $31$: respectively $196$ and $276$ simple leaves, covering $640$ and $1040$ candidate points, with minimum normalized root accuracies of $17$ and $34$ digits. These checks also verify the target-height indexing and residue-disk coverage. Replaying the supplied elementary finite-group verifier recovers the $12$ and $8$ final survivors, including the four boundary controls. The precision-$20$ and precision-$40$ coefficient multisets agree.

The verification has a clear limit. Sage and PARI were unavailable in the review environment, so I did not regenerate the upstream height-series coefficients, rerun the rank and saturation computations, or execute the Sage calculation of logarithms on the certified coordinate balls. I inspected those implementations and their retained evidence. The manuscript appropriately identifies these standard computational inputs; it does not substitute cross-precision agreement for a truncation theorem. The cited Bianchi–Padurariu Theorem 2.3, Proposition 3.12 and Lemma 3.13 support the height relation and analytic error bounds used here. The separate root-distance argument addresses the important distinction between locating a root disk and certifying the digits used by the sieve.

The novelty is sufficient for this partial-result scope. Paper [1] excludes all orbits on specified fixed bases, including the second $3/13$ base. Paper [2] classifies a generic lifting lattice and its first two nonsplit bisections. Paper [3] addresses diagonal-ratio solubility and proves that the additional lift equations introduce no uniform local obstruction. None establishes this fixed-diagonal, varying-base rational-point exclusion. The external work of Bianchi–Padurariu [4] already supplies bielliptic quadratic Chabauty and compatible height-index comparisons across primes; the submission correctly claims an arithmetic application, not a new method. Dujella–Mikić's Rank zero elliptic curves induced by rational Diophantine triples likewise supplies background on order-four triples rather than this coupled lift obstruction.

Two minor improvements would strengthen reproducibility and attribution. Record the exact Sage/PassageMath, PARI/cypari2 and eclib versions used to generate the serialized certificates. Also cite [4, §4.2] explicitly where the same-height-index comparison across primes is introduced. Neither affects acceptance. The informative abstract, readable notation, explicit limitations and distinction from a projective Hasse-principle failure are appropriate.

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