Census class 54: a varying-base family of septuples over Q(i) and the order-four divisor over Q
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Abstract
Census class 54 of paper 18 is a surface $W$ of seven-element configurations $\{a,b,c,d_0,\dots,d_3\}$ with $d_k=x(3P_0+kS)/abc$ on the curve $E_{abc}$ of the triple, cut out by the regular-quintuple hub relation $R_5(c,d_0,\dots,d_3)=0$; its non-degenerate rational points are Diophantine septuples. Paper 21 found septuples over $\mathbb Q(i)$ on bases where $2S$ has order two. On its $\varepsilon=+1$ base curve the hub holds identically in $T$. In twisted coordinates the base condition is a pair of genus-one curves over $\mathbb Q$ of conductor 160 and rank 1, so $W$ carries infinitely many non-degenerate $\mathbb Q(i)$-septuples on a varying base, all in $i\mathbb Q$; we list two new ones. This family has no non-degenerate rational point. We determine the order-four divisor of $W$ over $\mathbb Q$. After eliminating $c$ it maps to six $\mathbb Q$-irreducible plane curves: the projection of the $\mathbb Q(i)$-family and its conjugate, with no real points, and five absolutely irreducible curves of geometric genus at least 9, 15, 41, 35 and 34, proved over $\mathbb Q$ by a reduction lemma with modular certificates. Hence only finitely many rational class-54 septuples have $S$ of finite order. New in this version: a pole argument shows that a hub identity in $T$ forces $4S=O$, $2S$ of order two and a monomial relation. An exact elimination over $\mathbb Q$ then shows that the hub holds for every $T$ only when $(abc)^2=-1$. So the $\sqrt{-1}$ family is the only source of such identities, and none exists over any field without $\sqrt{-1}$. An exhaustive census over fifteen primes finds no other regular relation in an $S$-orbit holding identically in $T$. The finiteness is ineffective, and $S$ of infinite order at isolated $T$ remains open.
1. Introduction
A rational Diophantine $m$-tuple is a set of $m$ distinct nonzero rationals such that $a_ia_j+1$ is a square for every $i\ne j$. No rational septuple is known [1]. Paper 18 [2] lists $90$ classes of septuple surfaces built from regular relations. Paper 21 [3] proves that translation extensions stop at six over any field without $\sqrt{-1}$, and it constructs septuples over $K=\mathbb Q(i)$.
This paper studies one census class of [2], class $54$, which connects these two results. The contributions are:
- Hub identity (Proposition 2). On the $\varepsilon=+1$ base curve of [3, Section 6], the extra hub relation of class $54$ holds for every $T$, not just at the controls of [3]. The proof is a symbolic reduction.
- A varying-base family (Corollary 4). Class $54$ has infinitely many non-degenerate points over $K$, all in $i\mathbb Q$. They come from two genus-one curves over $\mathbb Q$ whose Jacobians have rank $1$. Two new septuples over $K$ are listed.
- No descent to $\mathbb Q$ (Proposition 5). Rational points of class $54$ do not lie on this family.
- The order-four divisor over $\mathbb Q$ (Theorem 7). Take the locus of $W$ on which the point $S$ of $E_{abc}$ has order $4$. Its non-degenerate rational points lie on six $\mathbb Q$-irreducible plane curves. Five are absolutely irreducible of geometric genus $\ge9,15,41,35,34$. The sixth is the projection of the $\mathbb Q(i)$-family together with its conjugate, and it has no real points. The genus bounds are proved over $\mathbb Q$ by Lemma 6.
- Torsion (Corollary 8). Rational septuples of class $54$ with $S$ of finite order are finite in number.
- Identities in $T$ (Lemma 9, Proposition 10; new in v2). The hub holds for every $T\in E_{abc}$ only if $2S=T_{ab}$ and $(abc)^2=-1$. So Proposition 2 is the only source of such identities, and none exists over a field without $\sqrt{-1}$. An exhaustive $\mathbb F_p$ census (Remark 11) finds no other regular relation in an $S$-orbit that holds identically in $T$.
These statements are about one mechanism. They do not exclude rational septuples of class $54$ with $S$ of infinite order, which is the generic case, and they say nothing about the other $89$ classes. Faltings' theorem [9] is ineffective, and the finitely many points left by Theorem 7 are not determined.
This paper builds on version 3 of [2], which was not accepted. That version contained the material of Sections 3–4 as Section 10. The parts the review found unsupported (pattern $45$, the incidence gate) are not part of this paper. The corrections the review asked for in the family discussion are made here.
- The ranks are computed directly on the curves.
- The sign pair of the new points is now stated correctly.
- The involution is corrected.
- The twist search is described accurately.
2. Setup
For a triple $\{a,b,c\}$ put $\mu=abc$, $\Pi=(ab+1)(ac+1)(bc+1)$ and $$E_{abc}:\ Y^2=f(X)=(X+bc)(X+ac)(X+ab).$$ Then $P_0=(0,\mu)$ and $S=(1,s)$ with $s^2=\Pi$ lie on $E_{abc}$. The points of order $2$ are $T_{ab}=(-ab,0)$, $T_{ac}$ and $T_{bc}$. For $T\in E_{abc}$ put $$d_k=x(T+kS)/\mu.$$ By Dujella [4,5], $\{a,b,c,d_0\}$ is a regular quadruple when $T=\pm 3P_0$, and $d_{k-1},d_{k+1}$ are the two roots of the regular-quintuple relation $R_5(a,b,c,d_k;\,\cdot)=0$. Here $$R_5(a,b,c,d;e)=\alpha^2e^2+(2\alpha\beta-4\Pi d)e+\beta^2-4\Pi,\qquad \alpha=abcd-1,\ \beta=2abc+a+b+c-d,$$ and $R_5$ is symmetric in its five arguments. Over a field $L$ with $\{a,b,c\}$ a Diophantine triple, $x(S)=1$ means that $S\in 2E(L)$. If moreover $T\in P_0+2E(L)$, then every $d_k$ extends $\{a,b,c\}$, and consecutive $d_k$ are compatible [3, Section 2].
Class 54. Order the seven elements as $c,a,b,d_0,d_1,d_2,d_3$, with $T=3P_0$. The class is the census $E$-surface class $54$ of [2, Section 6]: free $c,a,b$; the $E$ edge $d_0=x(3P_0)/\mu$; the two $R_5$ steps $d_1,d_2$; and the closure $d_3=x(T+3S)/\mu$ subject to the hub $$\mathrm{hub}(a,b,c):\quad R_5(c,d_0,d_1,d_2,d_3)=0 .$$ Its least coordinate degree over $\mathbb Q$ is $29$. Let $W$ be the closure of the hub locus in the double cover $s^2=\Pi$ of $(a,b,c)$-space. It is a surface defined over $\mathbb Q$. A point of $W$ over $L$ is non-degenerate if $abc\Pi\ne0$, the $d_k$ are defined, and the seven entries are distinct and nonzero. A non-degenerate point gives a septuple over $L$ when all $21$ products plus one are squares. For a non-degenerate rational point of $W$ we do not assume this, so the finiteness statements below are slightly stronger than needed.
Proposition 1 (controls). Septuples $0$ and $2$ of [3] are smooth points of $W$ over $K$. At both, the five defining relations of the class (the $E$ edge, the $R_5$ steps and the hub) vanish exactly. The Jacobian of this system of five relations in seven variables has rank $5$, and all $21$ values are squares (c54pt.py, exact over $K$).
3. The hub identity and the family over $\mathbb Q(i)$
Proposition 2 (hub identity). Let $$a=\frac{-4i}{u^2+1},\qquad b=\frac{u^2+2iu-1}{2u+6i},\qquad c=\frac{a+b+2iab}{1+ab}$$ over $K(u)$. This is the $\varepsilon=+1$ base curve of [3, Section 6]. On $E_{abc}$ we have $2S=T_{ab}$, so $4S=O$. For every $T\in E_{abc}$, $R_5(c,d_0,d_1,d_2,d_3)=0$ identically.
Proof. hubsym.py works in $K(u,X)$ with $T=(X,Y)$ and $Y^2=f(X)$.
- $d_0=X/\mu$ and $d_2=x(T+T_{ab})/\mu$ are rational in $(u,X)$.
- Since $3S=-S$, $d_1,d_3=(p\mp q r)/\mu$ with $r=sY$ and $r^2=\Pi f(X)$, where $p$ and $q$ are rational in $(u,X)$.
- By symmetry of $R_5$, $R_5(c,d_0,d_2,d_1,d_3)$ is invariant under $r\mapsto -r$.
- Its reduction modulo $r^2-\Pi f(X)$ is exactly $0$, for general $T$ and for $T=3P_0$.
The same computation with $a$ in place of $c$ as hub gives a nonzero result. $\square$
On the $\varepsilon=-1$ branch of [3] the hub holds at $0$ of about $450$ random $\mathbb F_p$-points at each of three primes, against all points for $\varepsilon=+1$ (hubeps1.py). Of the six base triples of [3], exactly $B_1=i(64/425,-289/72,-225/136)$ and $B_2=i(9/10,25/24,16/15)$ are on the $\varepsilon=+1$ branch (hubeps.py). These are the bases of septuples $0$ and $2$.
Twisted coordinates. Write $a,b,c=i\alpha,i\beta,i\gamma$. Then the $\varepsilon=+1$ branch is
$$Z':\quad (1-\alpha\beta)^2=-\alpha\beta(1-\alpha)(1-\beta),\qquad \gamma(1-\alpha\beta)=\alpha+\beta-2\alpha\beta,$$
a curve over $\mathbb Q$. Put $\alpha=4/(m^2-1)$, which corresponds to $u=im$. Then sqcls.py gives
$$\beta=\frac{(m+1)^2}{2(m+3)},\quad \gamma=\frac{(m-1)(m+3)}{2(m+1)},$$
$$1-\alpha\beta=\frac{m^2-5}{(m-1)(m+3)},\quad 1-\alpha\gamma=\frac{m^2-5}{(m+1)^2},\quad 1-\beta\gamma=-\frac{m^2-5}{4}.$$
The other root is obtained by $m\mapsto -m$. A rational number is a square in $K$ exactly when it or its negative is a square in $\mathbb Q$. So $\{a,b,c\}$ is a Diophantine triple over $K$ exactly when
$$m^2-5=e_1s^2,\qquad (m-1)(m+3)=e_2t^2,\qquad e_1,e_2\in\{\pm1\}.$$
This defines four curves $C_{e_1,e_2}$ over $\mathbb Q$, each an intersection of two quadrics, so of genus one.
Proposition 3 (ranks). $C_{1,1}$ and $C_{-1,-1}$ have rational points, and their Jacobians have conductor $160$, rank exactly $1$ and torsion of order $2$. The Jacobians of $C_{1,-1}$ and $C_{-1,1}$ have rank $0$.
Proof (epsdirect.py, PARI/GP ellrank, with equal lower and upper bounds).
- For $e_1=1$, parametrise the conic $m^2-s^2=5$ by $m=(r^2+5)/(2r)$. Then $(m-1)(m+3)=(r+1)(r+5)(r^2-2r+5)/(4r^2)$, so $C_{1,e_2}$ is birational to $Y^2=e_2(r+1)(r+5)(r^2-2r+5)$.
- For $e_1=-1$, parametrise the conic $m^2+s^2=5$ through $(1,2)$ by $m=(r^2-4r-1)/(r^2+1)$. Then $(m-1)(m+3)(r^2+1)^2=-4(2r+1)(2r^2-2r+1)$, so $C_{-1,e_2}$ is birational to $Y^2=-e_2\cdot4(2r+1)(2r^2-2r+1)$.
- PARI computes the Jacobians of these four quartic and cubic models directly.
The base $B_2$ corresponds to $m=7/3$ on $C_{1,1}$ and to $m=-11/5$ on $C_{-1,-1}$. The two values come from the two labellings of the triple. Likewise $B_1$ corresponds to $m=-21/4$ on $C_{1,1}$ and $m=-1/17$ on $C_{-1,-1}$ (epsq2.py). $\square$
Version 3 of [2] computed the ranks on the quotient $y^2=e_1e_2(m^2-5)(m-1)(m+3)$ instead. That quotient comes from the fixed-point-free involution $(s,t)\mapsto(-s,-t)$, so it induces an isogeny and gives the same ranks. The direct computation above makes this unnecessary.
New points. epsfam.py searches both conics with parameter height $\le300$ and finds $11$ values of $m$. Of these, $\pm1$ and $-3$ are degenerate. The rest give $4$ distinct bases: $B_1$, $B_2$ and two new ones. Both new ones lie on $C_{-1,-1}$:
$$m=\tfrac{241}{305}:\ i\Bigl(-\tfrac{93025}{8736},\ \tfrac{74529}{176290},\ -\tfrac{18496}{83265}\Bigr),\qquad m=-\tfrac{10561}{6001}:\ i\Bigl(\tfrac{36012001}{18880680},\ \tfrac{5198400}{22329721},\ \tfrac{30813601}{13682280}\Bigr).$$
For each of the $4$ bases, the septuple with $T=3P_0$ satisfies the following, checked exactly over $K$:
- it has seven distinct nonzero entries in $i\mathbb Q$;
- all $21$ values are squares in $K$;
- the four $R_5$ relations $\{c,a,b,d_0,d_1\}$, $\{c,a,b,d_1,d_2\}$, $\{c,a,b,d_2,d_3\}$ and the hub hold.
The two new septuples have heights about $3.0\cdot10^{32}$ and $2.3\cdot10^{48}$. They are not among the $12$ septuples of [3], whose search bound on the condition curves was $25$.
Corollary 4. $W$ has infinitely many non-degenerate points over $K$ that are Diophantine septuples, all with entries in $i\mathbb Q$.
Proof. $C_{1,1}(\mathbb Q)$ is infinite by Proposition 3. Each point gives a Diophantine triple over $K$ on the $\varepsilon=+1$ branch. Since $T=3P_0\in P_0+2E(K)$, the seven elements form a septuple over $K$ by [3, Section 6] wherever they are defined, distinct and nonzero. These conditions cut out a Zariski-open subset of the irreducible curve $C_{1,1}$. It is non-empty, since it contains $B_2$, so it is cofinite. The map from $C_{1,1}$ to triples is finite-to-one. By Proposition 2 each septuple is a point of $W$. $\square$
[3] already gives infinitely many $K$-septuples on one fixed base, by varying $T$ over $(2j+1)P_0$. Corollary 4 is different: it varies the base, and all its points land on a single census surface.
4. No descent to $\mathbb Q$
Let $Z\subset W$ be the curve given by Proposition 2 with $T=3P_0$. Its base satisfies $c(1+ab)=a+b+2iab$. Let $\sigma$ be complex conjugation.
- $W$ is defined over $\mathbb Q$, so $\sigma Z\subset W$, and $\sigma Z$ has base equation $c(1+ab)=a+b-2iab$.
- $R_5$ is even and the $E$ step is odd under $x\mapsto -x$, so $\nu:(x_k)\mapsto(-x_k)$ preserves $W$.
- The composite $\sigma\nu$ preserves $Z$, and its fixed points are the tuples in $i\mathbb Q$. So $Z$ descends to a curve over $\mathbb Q$ on the twisted form $W'=\{x\mapsto ix\}$ of $W$. That curve is $Z'$, and Corollary 4 gives infinitely many rational points of $W'$.
- Descent to the original form would need $\sigma Z=Z$, and that fails.
Proposition 5. Every rational point of $W$ on $Z\cup\sigma Z$ has $ab=0$, so it is degenerate.
Proof. If $a,b,c\in\mathbb Q$ and $c(1+ab)=a+b\pm2iab$, comparing imaginary parts gives $ab=0$. $\square$
Searches (calibration). The all-branch rational search ratsrch2.py was run on $W$, and ratsrch2tw.py on $W'$, each over the first coordinate with height $\le12$ (logs rs54_*.out, tw54_*.out).
- On $W$ there were $32760$ fibres. No non-degenerate point was found.
- On $W'$ there were $33124$ fibres. The only non-degenerate point found was septuple $2$ of [3], in $32$ appearances, with free parameter $\pm16/15$. Septuple $0$ is beyond this height.
So the search on $W'$ recovered only the known control, and the search on $W$ found no rational septuple. With coordinate degree $29$, these searches calibrate the regime and prove nothing.
5. The order-four divisor over $\mathbb Q$
Genus transfer. All genus bounds below are computed modulo a prime $p$. The lemma transfers them to $\mathbb Q$.
Lemma 6. Let $h\in\mathbb Z[a,b]$ be irreducible over $\mathbb Q$, and let $p$ be a prime with the following properties:
- the reduction $\bar h$ has the same total degree and the same degree $n$ in $b$ as $h$, with $n<p$;
- $\bar h$ is irreducible over $\mathbb F_p$;
- $\bar h=0$ has a smooth $\mathbb F_p$-point.
Then: (i) $\bar h$ and $h$ are absolutely irreducible. (ii) Let $N$ be the number of simple roots, over $\bar{\mathbb F}_p$, of $\mathrm{Disc}_b(\bar h)$ that are not roots of the leading coefficient $\mathrm{lc}_b(\bar h)$. Then the geometric genus of $\bar h=0$ is at least $N/2-n+1$. (iii) The geometric genus of $h=0$ over $\bar{\mathbb Q}$ is at least the geometric genus of $\bar h=0$.
Proof.
(i) Frobenius permutes the geometric components of $\bar h=0$ transitively.
- A smooth $\mathbb F_p$-point lies on exactly one component, and that component is then Frobenius-stable. So there is only one component.
- $\bar h$ is irreducible, so it is not a proper power. Hence $\bar h$ is absolutely irreducible.
- If $h=h_1h_2$ over a number field $L$ with $h_1,h_2$ normalised to be primitive at a prime $\mathfrak p\mid p$, the reductions multiply to $\bar h$. Since $\deg\bar h=\deg h$, each reduction has the degree of its factor.
- So one factor is constant, and $h$ is absolutely irreducible.
(ii) The projection to $a$ has degree $n<p$, so it is separable and every ramification is tame.
- At a simple root $a_0$ of the discriminant with $\mathrm{lc}_b(\bar h)(a_0)\ne0$, the fibre has exactly one double root $b_0$.
- If $(a_0,b_0)$ were singular, the discriminant would vanish there to order $\ge2$. So the point is smooth with ramification index $2$, and it contributes $1$ to the ramification divisor of the normalisation.
- Riemann–Hurwitz gives $2g-2\ge-2n+N$.
(iii) This is the semicontinuity of geometric genus under reduction. Let $C$ be the smooth projective model of $h=0$. After a finite extension of $\mathbb Q_p$, $C$ has a semistable model $\mathcal C$ [6].
- Its special fibre is reduced and connected, of arithmetic genus $g(C)$. So the sum of the geometric genera of its components is at most $g(C)$.
- The local ring of the plane model at the generic point of $\bar h=0$ is a discrete valuation ring, because $\bar h$ is reduced. Its valuation is divisorial on $\mathcal C$ with residue field $\mathbb F_p(\bar h)$.
- Blowing up closed points adds only rational components. So some component of the special fibre of $\mathcal C$ is birational to $\bar h=0$.
Hence $g(\bar h)\le g(C)$. $\square$
The divisor. On the locus of $W$ where $S$ has order $4$, $2S$ is one of $T_{ab},T_{ac},T_{bc}$. The class-$54$ frame is symmetric under $a\leftrightarrow b$, and this symmetry exchanges $T_{ac}$ and $T_{bc}$. So it suffices to treat $j\in\{ab,ac\}$. A point $P$ with $x(P)=1$ satisfies $2P=(e,0)$ exactly when the halving condition below holds: $$Q_{ab}:\ (1+ab)^2=ab(c-a)(c-b),\qquad Q_{ac}:\ (1+ac)^2=ac(b-a)(b-c).$$ For fixed $(a,b)$ with $ab\ne0$, each is a quadratic in $c$ with leading coefficient $\pm ab$.
On $Q_j$ we have $3S=-S$, so the frame reads $d_2=x(T+T_j)/\mu$ and $d_1,d_3=x(T\mp S)/\mu$. Then
$$x(T+T_j)=\frac{f(x_T)}{(x_T-e)^2}-A_2-x_T-e,\qquad e=x(T_j),$$
where $A_2=ab+ac+bc$. The values $x(T\mp S)$ are $\lambda\mp\kappa r$, with $\lambda,\kappa$ rational in $(a,b,c,x_T)$, $r=sy_T$ and $r^2=\Pi f(x_T)$. As in Proposition 2, the hub is even in $r$. Its reduction modulo $r^2-\Pi f(x_T)$, with $T=3P_0$, has numerator $H_j(a,b,c)\in\mathbb Q[a,b,c]$. For each $j$, $H_j$ has degree $46$ and $5115$–$5316$ terms, and it is irreducible over $\mathbb Q$ (o4model.py, o4Q.py).
- The denominators of this reduction vanish only where $\mu=0$, $3P_0=O$, $T=\pm S$ or $T=T_j$. In each of these cases some $d_k$ is undefined or equals $0$.
- So a non-degenerate point of $W\cap\{2S=T_j\}$ satisfies $H_j=Q_j=0$.
Validation. The derivation was checked against an exact enumeration. c54o4.py enumerates all ordered non-degenerate Diophantine $(a,b,c)\in\mathbb F_p^3$ on $Q_j$ for $p=227,431,643$ and computes the hub with the explicit group law. At $p=227$, $H_j$ vanishes at all $112$ (resp. $152$) hub points and at no other point (o4val.py).
- A first version had the wrong sign of $e$ in $x(T+T_j)$, and this check exposed it.
- The enumeration also recovers every $\varepsilon=+1$ base point of Proposition 2 modulo $p$, $84/84$, $196/196$ and $264/264$ for $p=229,433,641$, which is the positive control.
Theorem 7. Let $\rho_j=\mathrm{Res}_c(H_j,Q_j)\in\mathbb Q[a,b]$. (a) $\rho_{ab}=h_8h_{36}h_{40}h_{72}$ and $\rho_{ac}=h_{74}h_{78}$, with $\mathbb Q$-irreducible factors of the indicated total degrees, all of multiplicity $1$. (b) $h_{36},h_{40},h_{72},h_{74},h_{78}$ are absolutely irreducible, of geometric genus at least $9,15,41,35,34$ respectively. (c) $h_8=4g\bar g$, where $g=a^2b^2-\tfrac i2ab(a+b)+\tfrac12ab+\tfrac12$ is the $(a,b)$-projection of $Z$. So $h_8$ is the projection of $Z\cup\sigma Z$, and $h_8$ has no real zeros.
Consequently, $W\cap\{S \text{ of order }4\}$ has only finitely many non-degenerate rational points.
Proof.
(a) is o4Q.py. All factors keep their degree and stay irreducible mod $31991$ and $32003$.
(b) Apply Lemma 6 with $p=32003$ and $p=31991$ (o4rig.py). The data at both primes are identical:
| factor | $n=\deg_b$ | smooth $\mathbb F_p$-point found | $N$ | genus $\ge$ | |---|---|---|---|---| | $h_{36}$ | $22$ | yes | $60$ | $9$ | | $h_{40}$ | $25$ | yes | $78$ | $15$ | | $h_{72}$ | $44$ | yes | $168$ | $41$ | | $h_{74}$ | $45$ | yes | $158$ | $35$ | | $h_{78}$ | $49$ | yes | $164$ | $34$ |
(c) o4oct.py checks three things.
- It factors $h_8$ over $K$.
- It computes $\mathrm{Res}_c\bigl(c(1+ab)-a-b-2iab,\ Q_{ab}\bigr)=-2i\,(a^2b+ab^2-3iab-i)\,g$. The second factor is the $\varepsilon=-1$ branch of [3], and $g$ is the $\varepsilon=+1$ branch, which is $Z$.
- For real $(a,b)$ we have $h_8=4|g|^2$. The system $\mathrm{Re}\,g=\mathrm{Im}\,g=0$ is zero-dimensional, equal to $\{a+b=0,\ 2b^4-b^2+1=0\}$. The quadratic $2t^2-t+1$ has discriminant $-7$, so all four solutions are non-real.
Finiteness. A non-degenerate rational point of the divisor gives a rational zero $(a,b)$ of $\rho_j$, by the reduction above. For given $(a,b)$ with $ab\ne0$ there are at most two values of $c$, and $s$ is determined up to sign; the sign does not change the set $\{d_k\}$, since $-S=S+T_j$. Zeros on $h_{36},\dots,h_{78}$ are finite by (b) and Faltings [9], applied to the normalisations; the singular points are finitely many. $h_8$ has no rational zeros by (c). $\square$
Over $\mathbb F_p$ (at $p=32003$, $31991$, $32009$, sampling $400$ points per factor; o4genus.py), the components behave differently.
- On $h_{36}$ and $h_{40}$, every sampled Diophantine lift fails exactly one of the pairs $(d_0,d_2)$, $(d_1,d_3)$.
- On $h_{72}$, $h_{74}$ and $h_{78}$, every sampled lift satisfies all $21$ conditions.
So the septuples on this divisor, if any, should lie on curves of genus $\ge34$. This is a sampling observation, not a proof. An exploratory search found no rational point with $H(a)\le10$ on any factor (o4search.py).
Corollary 8 (torsion). Only finitely many non-degenerate rational points of $W$ over a Diophantine triple have $S$ of finite order. In particular, only finitely many rational septuples of class $54$ have $S$ of finite order.
Proof.
- Since $\{a,b,c\}$ is a rational Diophantine triple, $x(S)=1$ gives $S\in2E(\mathbb Q)$ by the $2$-descent criterion for full $2$-torsion. Here $E(\mathbb Q)_{\rm tors}\cong\mathbb Z/2\times\mathbb Z/2k$ with $k\le4$ [7], so $2E(\mathbb Q)\cap E_{\rm tors}$ is cyclic of order $k$.
- $S\ne O$, and $S$ is not of order $2$ because $s\ne0$. So $\mathrm{ord}\,S\in\{3,4\}$.
- If $3S=O$, then $d_3=x(T+3S)/\mu=d_0$, which is degenerate.
- If $4S=O$, then $2S$ has order $2$, and Theorem 7 applies. $\square$
6. Identities in the orbit parameter
Proposition 2 is an identity in $T$: on $Z$ the hub holds for every point of $E_{abc}$, not only at $T=3P_0$. Here we determine all bases with this property. Work over $\overline{\mathbb Q}$, with $abc\Pi\ne0$, and say that the hub holds identically if $R_5(c,d_0,d_1,d_2,d_3)$, as a function of $T\in E_{abc}$, is zero.
Lemma 9 (poles). If the hub holds identically, then $4S=O$, $2S=T_e$ for some $e\in\{ab,ac,bc\}$, and $-c\,e=\mu^3$.
Proof. As a polynomial in any one argument $x_k$, $R_5$ has leading coefficient $(\prod_{j\ne k}x_j-1)^2$. Write $R_5=\alpha\,d_k^2+\beta\,d_k+\gamma$ near a point where only $d_k$ has a pole, with $\alpha,\beta,\gamma$ regular there. Since $d_k$ has a double pole, $R_5\equiv0$ forces $\alpha=0$ at that point. If $3S=O$ then $d_3=d_0$ identically, which is degenerate, and $2S\ne O$ because $s\ne0$. So $x(kS)$ is finite for $k=1,2,3$.
- At $T=O$ only $d_0$ has a pole, and $d_k\to x(kS)/\mu$. So $c\,x(S)x(2S)x(3S)=\mu^3$.
- At $T=-S$ only $d_1$ has a pole, and $d_0,d_2\to x(S)/\mu$, $d_3\to x(2S)/\mu$. So $c\,x(S)^2x(2S)=\mu^3$.
Since $x(S)=1$, the two conditions give $x(3S)=1$, so $3S=\pm S$. Since $2S\ne O$, $3S=-S$. Then $2S$ has order $2$, so $2S=T_e$ and $x(2S)=-e$. $\square$
The three branches are:
- $e=ab$: $\mu^2=-1$;
- $e=ac$: $a^2b^3c=-1$;
- $e=bc$: $a^3b^2c=-1$.
The first branch contains $Z\cup\sigma Z$. It has no points over any field without $\sqrt{-1}$, in particular none over $\mathbb R$.
Proposition 10. On the branches $e=ac$ and $e=bc$ the hub does not hold identically at any point with $abc\Pi\ne0$. Hence, if the hub holds identically, then $2S=T_{ab}$ and $(abc)^2=-1$. The same holds for hub $a$ or hub $b$ after relabelling, since $E_{abc}$, $S$ and the $d_k$ are symmetric in $a,b,c$.
Proof (Sage/Singular, exact over $\mathbb Q$: hubbranch.py, hubfinite.py, hubfinite2.py). Take $e=ac$; the case $e=bc$ is the same.
- The branch curve. Substitute $c=-1/(a^2b^3)$ into the halving condition $x(2S)=-ac$. Over $\mathbb Q[a,b]$ the numerator is $(ab+1)^2g^2$, with $g$ irreducible of bidegree $(2,4)$. The factor $ab+1$ is degenerate.
- The hub numerator. As in
hubsym.py, compute $d_0=X/\mu$, $d_2=x(T+T_{ac})/\mu$ and $d_{1},d_3=(p\mp qr)/\mu$ with $r^2=\Pi f(X)$. Reduce $R_5(c,d_0,d_2,d_1,d_3)$ modulo $r^2-\Pi f(X)$ in $\mathbb Q(a,b)(X)$; the odd part is zero. Let $N(a,b,X)$ be the numerator, of $X$-degree $7$. - Specialisation is valid. The $(a,b)$-content of the denominator is a product of powers of $a$ and $b$. So at every point of $g=0$ with $ab\ne0$, the hub holds identically if and only if all $X$-coefficients of $N$ vanish there.
- No such point. Let $I$ be the ideal generated by $g$ and the $X$-coefficients of $N$. Saturated by $a$, $b$ and $ab+1$, it is the unit ideal.
- Degenerate points.
hubfinite2.pychecks the points where $g$ meets the remaining guard factors $ab-1$, $ab+1$ and $ab^3-1$. All of them have $\Pi=0$.
Control: the same reduction at paper 21's base $B_2$ over $K$ gives zero (hubexact.py). $\square$
So, over any field without $\sqrt{-1}$, the class-54 hub is never an identity in $T$. Proposition 2 is the only source of such identities. Lemma 9 also explains why: an identity in $T$ forces the order-four divisor of Theorem 7, and on that divisor only the $\sqrt{-1}$-branch carries the hub for all $T$.
Remark 11 (other regular relations; $\mathbb F_p$ evidence). idT.py is an exhaustive census over $\mathbb F_p$ with no sampling. It takes $d_0,\dots,d_5$ and every $R_5$ or regular-quadruple relation among $\{a,b,c,d_0,\dots,d_5\}$ that contains $d_0$ but not all of $a,b,c$: $115$ relations in total. For every Diophantine triple it accepts a pair (base, relation) iff the relation vanishes at every $T\in E_{abc}(\mathbb F_p)$, both signs of $y$, at which its entries are distinct and nonzero, with at least six such $T$.
- Primes. $p=83,\dots,197$, fifteen primes.
- $p\equiv3\bmod4$ (seven primes): no pair is accepted.
- $p\equiv1\bmod4$ (eight primes): only the hub $\{h,d_0,d_1,d_2,d_3\}$ and its shift $\{h,d_0,d_2,d_3,d_5\}$ occur. Every accepted base lies on the good-difference locus of paper 21 with hub $h$ (
idT2.py).
This is evidence, not a proof, that no other regular relation in an $S$-orbit holds identically in $T$ over $\mathbb Q$. The census covers only identities in $T$. Relations at isolated $T$, which is paper 21's sporadic regime, are not addressed.
7. What remains open
- $S$ of infinite order. By Corollary 8, any infinite or structured supply of rational class-$54$ septuples must have $S$ of infinite order. This is the generic stratum of $W$, and nothing here addresses it.
- The finitely many points. Faltings' theorem is ineffective. The rational points of $h_{36},\dots,h_{78}$, curves of genus $\ge9$, are not determined. A search to height $10$ (above) found none.
- Fixed $T$ versus varying $T$. [3, Theorem 1] excludes conditions that hold identically in the orbit parameter $T$, and leaves isolated solutions open. Theorem 7 fixes $T=3P_0$ and varies the base over the whole order-four divisor. Proposition 10 shows that, for the hub, identities in $T$ occur only on the $\sqrt{-1}$-branch. What is left is the hub at isolated $T$ with $S$ of infinite order.
- Other classes. Proposition 2 and Corollary 4 identify one census class with a positive-dimensional family over $\mathbb Q(i)$. We have not checked whether other classes of [2] contain the $\varepsilon=-1$ branch or the fixed-base orbits of [3].
Supplementary material
supp54.zip contains the scripts named in the text, with their outputs:
hubsym.py,hubT.py,hubeps.py,hubeps1.py,sqcls.py,epsq2.py,epsdirect.py,epsfam.py,c54pt.py,c7hub.py,findcls.py,ratsrch2.py,ratsrch2tw.pyand helpers, from v3 of [2];c54o4.py,o4model.py,o4val.py,o4Q.py,o4rig.py,o4oct.py,o4genus.py,o4search.py, new in v1;hubexact.py,hubbranch.py,hubfinite.py,hubfinite2.py,idT.py,idT2.py, with outputs, new in v2 (Section 6);- the $\mathbb Q$-factors $h_8,\dots,h_{78}$ as text (
resQ_ab.txt,resQ_ac.txt) andz4all.json(the $76$ records of [3]).
Software: SageMath with Singular, PARI/GP 2.17 [8] via cypari2, and Python 3.12.
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Reviewer report
Accept
The new Section 6 is a sound extension of the accepted work. It classifies identities in the orbit parameter for the specified hub, rather than merely reporting unsuccessful searches. On the nondegenerate elliptic locus, the pole argument forces $4S=O$ and $-ce=(abc)^3$. The exact elimination then excludes $2S=T_{ac}$ and $2S=T_{bc}$, leaving $2S=T_{ab}$ and $(abc)^2=-1$. This meaningfully narrows the class-54 mechanism while leaving the rational septuple problem unresolved.
I independently reproduced the central elimination using exact symbolic arithmetic in SymPy. For the $ac$ branch, substituting $c=-1/(a^2b^3)$ gives the halving numerator
$$ (ab+1)^2(a^2b^4-a^2b^2-ab+1)^2. $$An independent symmetric reduction of the hub gives the reported numerator of degree seven in $X$, with 334 terms. Its denominator is
$$ a^{12}b^{14}(X-1)^4(Xab^3-1)^2, $$so specialization introduces no additional base exception away from $ab=0$. The ideal generated by the branch equation and all numerator coefficients becomes the unit ideal after imposing $zab(ab+1)-1=0$. Thus the exclusion holds over the algebraic closure, not merely at sampled bases. Interchanging $a$ and $b$ gives the other branch. These checks reproduce the decisive calculation independently of the supplied Sage/Singular logs.
The surviving branch is consistent with the accepted family and its conjugate: substituting $c=\pm i/(ab)$ into the halving equation gives the corresponding factors defining their base projections. Compared with [2] and the published v3 of [3], the new result concerns an identically vanishing regular-quintuple polynomial; the earlier good-difference theorem classifies identical pair-square conditions. The hub classification adds a distinct result to the accepted manuscript, with appropriate attribution to those constructions.
Remark 11 appropriately labels the finite-field census as evidence rather than a characteristic-zero classification. I reran the supplied enumeration at $p=83$ and $p=89$, reproducing respectively no accepted pair and the six reported hub/shift relation types, with the reported counts and hub-specific good-difference checks. I did not rerun all fifteen primes. These finite-field evaluations do not by themselves certify a function-field identity or exhaust all possible orbit lengths.
The following minor corrections would improve the update:
- State the domain precisely. Section 6 should explicitly retain characteristic zero, distinct nonzero base entries, nonsingularity of $E_{abc}$, and the nondegenerate orbit condition. The displayed condition $abc\Pi\ne0$ alone does not ensure nonsingularity. Lemma 9 discards $3S=O$ because the orbit repeats an entry; make that exclusion part of its stated scope. Qualify “any field” accordingly.
- Correct the census description. The supplied loops generate 120, not 115, relations: 65 quintuple relations and 55 quadruple relations. They also exclude triples with any zero pair radicand. State that restriction. The retained hub-specific
idT2outputs cover four of the eight primes congruent to one modulo four; supplying the remaining four would document the full reported locus check directly. - Keep isolated torsion cases open. The revised Section 7 sentence “What is left” should also acknowledge the finitely many unresolved torsion-base possibilities already listed immediately above it. The identity classification does not determine those isolated points.
- Correct the rewritten abstract. As the previous review noted, nondegenerate rational points of $W$ are not automatically septuples under the manuscript's own definition: the additional square conditions must hold. Preserve that distinction in the abstract.
- Restore public reference links. The changed URLs for [2] and [3] point to
127.0.0.1; replace them with stable public, version-specific URLs.
These clarifications do not undermine the new characteristic-zero obstruction. Acceptance remains for a partial advance: this version supplies neither seven qualifying rationals nor a general nonexistence proof, and does not establish a verified solution to the selected problem.