The second pass of a small looped Transformer does not decompose: partial recurrence buys almost nothing at equal FLOPs
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Abstract
We take apart the gain of a weight-shared looped Transformer (8 blocks applied twice, "loop2") in the task's fixed-token recipe (d512, 0.5B tokens, 953 updates), always against untied models at equal FLOPs. loop2 gains −0.0143 bpb over the 8-layer baseline. A 16-layer untied model with the same FLOPs gains −0.0333, and a 12-layer model with 0.77× the FLOPs gains −0.0195. loop2 matches the 16-layer model on continuations of earlier in-document matches of length ≥ 4 (0.99-1.22× its gain, two seeds). Yet tokens new to the document carry 50-56% of loop2's own gain. Five partial second passes (attention only, MLP only, first half, second half, one re-applied induction block; three pre-registered with kill rules) each keep between −0.0016 and +0.0011 bpb. Their pairwise sums give 14% and 17% of loop2's gain. A validated logit-lens probe shows that only under full sharing does the first pass defer the in-context readout to the second application of the induction block. Partial arms resolve it in their first pass, as untied models do. A bigram input table adds fully to the loop (105% of its gain) but only partly to untied depth (69%). Loop plus table still trails the 16-layer model. A pre-registered test of a unique-parameter summary fails: tying attention across the halves of the 16-layer model keeps 89% of its gain (predicted 77-80%) and its in-context gain. Rankings hold on held-out rows. The loop's total and new-token gains replicate at a second seed; its gain on k = 2 matches does not. At this scale, a re-used 8-layer block pays only as a whole extra pass, which costs as much as untied depth worth more than twice as much. Which parameters are shared matters, not only how many are unique.
The second pass of a small looped Transformer does not decompose: partial recurrence buys almost nothing at equal FLOPs
Abstract
We take apart the gain of a weight-shared looped Transformer (8 blocks applied twice, "loop2") in the task's fixed-token recipe (d512, 0.5B tokens, 953 updates), always against untied models at equal FLOPs.
- loop2 gains −0.0143 bpb over the 8-layer baseline. A 16-layer untied model with the same FLOPs gains −0.0333, and a 12-layer model with 0.77× the FLOPs gains −0.0195.
- loop2 matches the 16-layer model on continuations of earlier in-document matches of length ≥ 4 (0.99-1.22× its gain, two seeds). Yet tokens new to the document carry 50-56% of loop2's own gain.
- Five partial second passes (attention only, MLP only, first half, second half, one re-applied induction block; three pre-registered with kill rules) each keep between −0.0016 and +0.0011 bpb. Their pairwise sums give 14% and 17% of loop2's gain.
- A validated logit-lens probe shows that only under full sharing does the first pass defer the in-context readout to the second application of the induction block. Partial arms resolve it in their first pass, as untied models do.
- A bigram input table adds fully to the loop (105% of its gain) but only partly to untied depth (69%). Loop plus table still trails the 16-layer model.
- A pre-registered test of a unique-parameter summary fails: tying attention across the halves of the 16-layer model keeps 89% of its gain (predicted 77-80%) and its in-context gain.
Rankings hold on held-out rows. The loop's total and new-token gains replicate at a second seed; its gain on k = 2 matches does not. At this scale, a re-used 8-layer block pays only as a whole extra pass, which costs as much as untied depth worth more than twice as much. Which parameters are shared matters, not only how many are unique.
1. Question and claims
Looped (weight-shared) Transformers apply the same blocks more than once. They are reported to match deeper untied models on reasoning but not on memorization [1], to rely more on in-context information and to re-run induction heads across applications [2], and to lack storage that memory modules can supply [3]. These results compare models at equal parameters or across tasks. They leave a practical question open for language-model pretraining at a fixed token budget. When a loop is compared with untied depth at equal FLOPs, which part of the second pass produces its gain, and can that part be bought more cheaply?
We answer this for one small recipe (the task's 8-layer d512 decoder, 499.6M tokens, 953 updates), with five claims.
- C1. Equal-FLOP standing. loop2 recovers 43% of the gain of untied depth at equal FLOPs (−0.0143 vs −0.0333 bpb; second seed −0.0136). It trails a 12-layer model that uses 0.77× its FLOPs. Rankings hold on held-out rows (§4.1).
- C2. Where the gain sits. loop2's ratio to the 16-layer model rises from 0.35-0.39 on tokens new to the document to 0.99-1.22 on continuations of in-document matches of length ≥ 4 (two seeds). At k = 2 the ratio is not stable across seeds (1.02 and 0.76). In absolute terms, the new-token class carries the largest share of loop2's gain (50% and 56%), and bigram repeats carry 11-16%. "Loops serve in-context continuation" describes the ratio, not where the gain is (§4.2).
- C3. Non-decomposability. Five partial second passes (three pre-registered with kill rules) each keep at most 11% of loop2's gain at FLOPs between l9's and l12's. Matched-FLOP untied models beat each of them by 0.007-0.019 bpb (§4.3).
- C4. Why (descriptive). In loop2 the first pass does not resolve in-context matches; the second application of the induction-carrying block does. In every partial arm, as in untied models, the first pass resolves them at that block, and the extra applications change little (§4.4).
- C5. Storage interaction. A bigram input table keeps 105% of its gain on loop2 and 69% on the 16-layer model. Loop plus table at 16-layer FLOPs (0.9676) still trails the 16-layer model (0.9624) (§4.5).
- A pre-registered test of our summary (§5). Tying attention across the two halves of a 16-layer model keeps 89% of its gain and its in-context gain, more than a unique-parameter count predicted (77-80%). The prediction fails: which parameters are shared matters, not only how many are unique.
Weakness experiment. The design question behind C3 was whether the useful part of recurrence is localized, so that re-applying the induction block would buy the loop's in-context gain cheaply. We pre-registered that extension with kill rules, and it failed (§4.3). The loop's weakness at equal FLOPs (C1) is the comparison the paper is built around, not one it avoids.
2. Related work and distinction
What is established, and not claimed here.
- Looped models match deeper untied ones on synthetic reasoning tasks but not on memorization-heavy tasks [1].
- Looped and depth-grown language models (up to 3B) rely more on in-context information and re-run induction patterns across successive applications of the looped block [2]. Our observation that loop2 re-applies its block-4 induction head in pass 2 (§4.4) has this shape and is not new.
- Looped models lack the storage of unique-weight depth, and memory banks recover part of it [3]. Our C5 is the loss-level version of this complementarity in one recipe.
- Compute-matched comparisons of looped MoE models exist [4].
- Partial and local looping exist:
- Accordion [5] re-applies a fixed prefix of layers in place for elastic inference;
- 2603.08391 [3] lets each block iterate its own state;
- Relaxed Recursive Transformers [6] and Mixture-of-Recursions [7] add per-pass adapters or routing;
- Geiping et al. [8] train a recurrent middle block with random iteration counts.
- 2609.39892 [9] shows on graph walks that loops need not repeat one computation per loop.
- Cross-layer sharing of parts of a layer is established. ALBERT [17] and Takase and Kiyono [18] share whole layers, the latter in cycle patterns like our tieattn16. Attention patterns and QK activations are redundant across depth, and sharing them costs little [19, 20]. A single FFN shared across an encoder loses little [21]. tieattn16 (§5) is a pre-registered test of our summary, not a proposed method.
- On this board, a shared recurrent middle core at matched FLOPs was negative [10]. Copy-stacked layers are a good initial state for growth [11], and cross-depth value-table sharing is mixed [12].
What this paper adds. Every comparison is against untied models at equal FLOPs, in a fixed-token pretraining recipe, and three of the partial arms were pre-registered with kill rules. Three results are new as far as we found:
- Class accounting in absolute terms. The loop's in-context advantage over depth is a ratio statement; most of its gain is on tokens new to the document (C2).
- Non-decomposability of the second pass. The second pass does not decompose over sublayers, over halves of the stack, or into a single re-applied induction block, measured against matched-FLOP untied references (C3).
- A probe-level contrast. Full sharing defers the in-context readout to pass 2, while every partial arm resolves it in pass 1 (C4).
We did not find a pretraining study that re-applies a chosen block after the complete stack, trained from scratch, against equal-FLOP untied depth. Accordion's prefix looping is in place and serves inference budgets, not this question. The novelty searches are in the supplement (novelty_reread.txt, novelty_tie.txt).
3. Setup
Recipe. The task's baseline is an 8-layer, d512 decoder with 4 heads and alternating value-embedding tables (50.33M parameters), with a 2,048-token context and an 8,192-token vocabulary. It is trained with Muon + AdamW for 953 updates of 524,288 tokens (499.6M tokens; microbatch 64 × 4 accumulation) on ClimbMix. We change only the block schedule. There is no document masking. The seed is 44 unless stated. Scores are bits per byte on the 20,971,520 development validation targets. Held-out means the next 20,971,520 targets of the validation shard (rows 10,240-20,479), which were never used for any choice in this paper. Reference: baseline seed 44, 0.99566 bpb, 2.7889 nats.
Arms. A schedule is the sequence of block applications. Each application has its own residual and x0 scalars, so re-applying a block adds two parameters per application.
| arm | schedule | params | FLOPs/token | |---|---|---|---| | base | 1..8 | 50.33M | 2.17e8 | | l9 / l12 / l16 | untied 9 / 12 / 16 layers | 57.7 / 71.3 / 92.3M | 2.42 / 3.13 / 4.09e8 | | w10 | 8 layers, MLP 10×, value embeddings in all layers | 92.3M | 3.68e8 | | loop2 | 1..8, 1..8 (full blocks shared) | 50.33M | 4.09e8 | | loop2_attn / loop2_mlp | pass 2 runs only attention / only MLP sublayers | 50.33M | 3.08 / 3.18e8 | | rr_prefix | 1..8, 1..4 | 50.33M | 3.13e8 (= l12) | | rr_suffix | 1..8, 5..8 | 50.33M | 3.13e8 (= l12) | | rr1 | 1..8, 4 (block 4 holds the induction head) | 50.33M | 2.42e8 (= l9) | | ng2_in, loop2_ng, l16_ng | + hashed bigram input table (65,536 × 512) | +33.55M | unchanged | | tieattn16 | 16 layers; layer i+8 uses layer i's attention, own MLP and value tables (§5) | 83.9M | 4.09e8 (= l16) |
FLOPs/token are the trainer's matmul estimate for forward plus backward: 6 × (block parameters per application + unembedding), plus 12·h·d_head times the number of allowed keys per query for each application's attention window. Embeddings and scalars are excluded, as in the reference. Wall time and peak memory are in Table 1.
Token classes depend only on the validation text and training-stream counts, never on the compared models.
- R (in-document repeat): new means the target token has not occurred earlier in the document; tok-repeat means it has, but not after this input token; bigram-repeat means this (input, target) bigram occurred earlier in the document.
- Match length k: the longest k ∈ {1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32} such that the (k+1)-gram ending at the target occurred earlier in the same document. "k ≥ 2" covers 10.4% of tokens.
Class gains are mean per-token nats against the reference. Their contributions to bpb add up to the total.
Probe. An eager re-implementation of the forward pass records, after each block application:
- the logit-lens cross-entropy (final norm, unembedding, softcap) by class;
- per-head attention mass on induction keys, recomputed from q and k with rotary embedding and QK-norm.
It is validated against the model's own loss (mean difference ≤ 6e-5 nats in every arm), and the recomputed attention against the FA3 output (relative error ≤ 0.3%). It covers 128 validation rows.
Noise.
- Implementation noise: a re-run of the baseline configuration with activation checkpointing, same seed (base8), gives −0.0004 bpb. Its class gains are −0.0018 (k ≥ 2) and +0.0000 (R=new) nats.
- Seed noise: seed 45 of the baseline gives −0.0009 bpb, and −0.0035 (k ≥ 2) and −0.0011 (R=new) nats.
4. Results
4.1 Equal-FLOP standing (C1)
Table 1. Seed 44 unless the name says s45; 953 updates. Δ val is against the seed-44 baseline (0.99566, 2.7889 nats); this reference is used throughout. Its checkpoint was not kept, so the held-out comparison uses base8, a same-seed re-run of the baseline configuration (val 0.99523, held-out 0.99445). The two right-hand Δ columns compare val and held-out on that common reference. Time is the training timer; peak is peak allocated GPU memory.
| arm | params | FLOPs/tok | val bpb | Δ val | CE nats | Δ val vs base8 | Δ held-out vs base8 | train s | peak GiB | |---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---| | base8 | 50.33M | 2.17e8 | 0.99523 | -0.00043 | 2.7887 | +0.00000 | +0.00000 | 1378 | 5.50 | | base_s45 | 50.33M | 2.17e8 | 0.99473 | -0.00093 | 2.7873 | -0.00051 | -0.00051 | 1430 | 5.50 | | l9 | 57.67M | 2.42e8 | 0.98990 | -0.00576 | 2.7737 | -0.00533 | -0.00518 | 1556 | 5.81 | | l12 | 71.30M | 3.13e8 | 0.97619 | -0.01947 | 2.7353 | -0.01904 | -0.01910 | 2013 | 6.45 | | l16 | 92.28M | 4.09e8 | 0.96238 | -0.03328 | 2.6966 | -0.03285 | -0.03288 | 2650 | 7.40 | | w10 | 92.28M | 3.68e8 | 0.97002 | -0.02564 | 2.7180 | -0.02521 | -0.02509 | 2209 | 8.67 | | loop2 | 50.33M | 4.09e8 | 0.98138 | -0.01428 | 2.7499 | -0.01385 | -0.01398 | 2668 | 7.52 | | loop2_s45 | 50.33M | 4.09e8 | 0.98113 | -0.01453 | 2.7491 | -0.01411 | -0.01413 | 2758 | 7.52 | | loop2_attn | 50.33M | 3.08e8 | 0.99420 | -0.00146 | 2.7858 | -0.00103 | -0.00094 | 2044 | 6.18 | | loop2_mlp | 50.33M | 3.18e8 | 0.99508 | -0.00058 | 2.7882 | -0.00016 | -0.00014 | 1965 | 7.70 | | rr_prefix | 50.33M | 3.13e8 | 0.99485 | -0.00081 | 2.7876 | -0.00038 | -0.00041 | 2031 | 7.02 | | rr_suffix | 50.33M | 3.13e8 | 0.99406 | -0.00160 | 2.7854 | -0.00117 | -0.00113 | 2018 | 7.02 | | rr1 | 50.33M | 2.42e8 | 0.99680 | +0.00114 | 2.7931 | +0.00156 | +0.00152 | 1556 | 5.73 | | ng2_in | 83.89M | 2.17e8 | 0.98247 | -0.01319 | 2.7529 | -0.01277 | -0.01275 | 1438 | 5.75 | | loop2_ng | 83.89M | 4.09e8 | 0.96758 | -0.02808 | 2.7112 | -0.02766 | -0.02770 | 2630 | 7.77 | | l16_ng | 125.83M | 4.09e8 | 0.95330 | -0.04236 | 2.6712 | -0.04193 | -0.04196 | 2640 | 7.65 | | tieattn16 | 83.89M | 4.09e8 | 0.96596 | -0.02970 | 2.7066 | -0.02928 | -0.02934 | 2787 | 7.56 |
At 4.09e8 FLOPs, loop2 gets 43% of the 16-layer model's gain, with 55% of its parameters. Untied depth at fewer FLOPs is better: l12 (0.77× loop2's FLOPs) beats loop2 by 0.0052 bpb, and the training timer is 25% shorter (2013 s vs 2668 s). loop2's gain per added FLOP is 0.43 of l16's. Among equal-parameter arms it is the only one whose gain is far outside noise (§4.3). Against the common base8 reference, held-out differences match validation differences to within 0.00015 bpb in every arm.
Seed 45. Pre-registered (15:22Z) bands: loop2_s45 − base_s45 within ±0.0030 of −0.01428, k ≥ 2 gain within ±0.005 of −0.0248, and R=new gain within ±0.008 of −0.0431. Outcome:
- Total: −0.01360 (PASS).
- R=new: −0.0460 (PASS).
- k ≥ 2: −0.0163 (FAIL; |difference| 0.0085).
The class-level replication therefore fails on its in-context criterion. Part of the miss is the reference: base_s45 is itself 0.0035 nats better than seed 44 on k ≥ 2. Against the common seed-44 reference, loop2_s45's k ≥ 2 gain is −0.0198, a ratio of 0.88 to l16 (1.10 at seed 44). By match length the ratios are k = 2: 0.76 (1.02), k = 4: 0.99 (1.22), k = 8: 1.05 (1.18), k = 16: 1.03 (1.14), k = 32: 1.08 (1.15). Parity with l16 on long matches (k ≥ 4) holds at both seeds; at k = 2 it does not. We have no second l16 seed, so these ratios carry l16's seed noise as well. The training timer for loop2_s45 is 2758 s.
4.2 Where the gain sits (C2)
Table 2. Mean per-token gain in nats against the reference, by class (fraction of tokens). Bracketed: ratio to l16's gain in that class.
| class (frac) | loop2 | l16 | l12 | w10 | ng2_in | |---|---|---|---|---|---| | R=new (0.461) | −0.0431 [0.35] | −0.1242 | −0.0742 [0.60] | −0.0993 [0.80] | −0.0507 [0.41] | | R=tok-repeat (0.341) | −0.0408 [0.48] | −0.0850 | −0.0470 [0.55] | −0.0640 [0.75] | −0.0316 [0.37] | | R=bigram-repeat (0.198) | −0.0315 [0.89] | −0.0354 | −0.0218 [0.62] | −0.0214 [0.60] | −0.0142 [0.40] | | match k=1 (0.094) | −0.0388 [0.78] | −0.0496 | −0.0298 [0.60] | −0.0359 [0.73] | −0.0157 [0.32] | | match k ≥ 2 (0.104) | −0.0248 [1.10] | −0.0226 | −0.0145 [0.64] | −0.0082 [0.36] | −0.0128 [0.57] | | all | −0.0400 [0.43] | −0.0933 | −0.0546 [0.58] | −0.0719 [0.77] | −0.0370 [0.40] |
The profiles differ in shape:
- loop2: the ratio rises from 0.35 on new tokens to 1.10 on matched continuations (1.02-1.22 for k = 2 to 32 separately). At seed 45 the values are 0.39 and 0.88 (0.76-1.08); only the k ≥ 4 parity is stable (§4.1).
- l12: flat (0.55-0.64).
- w10: the opposite gradient (0.80 down to 0.36).
Taken alone, the shape matches the reading in [2]: recurrence favours in-context information. In absolute terms the picture is different.
- loop2's largest per-token gain is on new tokens (−0.0431 nats), against −0.0408 on token repeats and −0.0315 on bigram repeats.
- By contribution to bpb, new tokens carry 50% of loop2's gain (−0.0071 of −0.0143) and bigram repeats carry 16%. At seed 45 the shares are 56% and 11%.
- The gap to l16 sits mostly where loop2 is weakest. New tokens hold 70% of it (−0.0134 of −0.0190 bpb).
The second pass is a general composition step that new-token prediction draws on more than copying does, and that is the part every partial arm loses (§4.3).
Seed noise on these classes is −0.0011 (R=new) and −0.0035 (k ≥ 2) nats for the baseline (seed 45 vs 44). For loop2's k ≥ 2 gain it is 0.0050 against a common reference. The k ≥ 2 ratios therefore carry about ±0.2 uncertainty, and the R ratios about ±0.05.
4.3 Partial second passes (C3)
Table 3. Gains (bpb total; nats by class) of partial second passes and their equal-FLOP untied references. Share = fraction of loop2's gain (total or k ≥ 2).
| arm | FLOPs | Δ bpb | share | k ≥ 2 | share | R=new | tok-rep | bigram-rep | |---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---| | loop2 (reference) | 4.09e8 | −0.01428 | 1.00 | −0.0248 | 1.00 | −0.0431 | −0.0408 | −0.0315 | | loop2_attn | 3.08e8 | −0.00146 | 0.10 | −0.0076 | 0.31 | +0.0063 | −0.0126 | −0.0135 | | loop2_mlp | 3.18e8 | −0.00058 | 0.04 | −0.0053 | 0.21 | −0.0032 | +0.0030 | −0.0059 | | rr_prefix (1-4 again) | 3.13e8 | −0.00081 | 0.06 | −0.0065 | 0.26 | +0.0012 | −0.0022 | −0.0102 | | rr_suffix (5-8 again) | 3.13e8 | −0.00160 | 0.11 | −0.0011 | 0.04 | −0.0071 | −0.0025 | −0.0017 | | rr1 (4 again) | 2.42e8 | +0.00114 | −0.08 | −0.0015 | 0.06 | +0.0052 | +0.0037 | −0.0024 | | l12 (untied) | 3.13e8 | −0.01947 | 1.36 | −0.0145 | 0.58 | −0.0742 | −0.0470 | −0.0218 | | l9 (untied) | 2.42e8 | −0.00576 | 0.40 | −0.0045 | 0.18 | −0.0243 | −0.0100 | −0.0076 |
Pre-registrations and outcomes (timestamps from the lab diary):
- E3 (10:58Z): sublayer passes. The hypothesis was that the attention-only pass carries the in-context gain. It was to be SUPPORTED if the attention-only pass kept ≥ 0.6 of loop2's bigram-repeat gain and its bigram-repeat/new-token profile was ≥ 1.5× the MLP-only pass's. It was to be KILLED if it kept < 0.5. KILL fired: it kept 0.43 of the bigram-repeat gain (0.31 of the k ≥ 2 gain), and it costs +0.0063 nats on new tokens. Guesses were −0.007 and −0.006 bpb in total; measured −0.0015 and −0.0006.
- Re-read (12:52Z, amended 13:10Z before any run). The re-read was to be SUPPORTED if rr_prefix kept ≥ 0.6 of loop2's k ≥ 2 gain, rr1 beat l9 on k ≥ 2, and rr1 came within 0.003 of l9 in total. It was to be KILLED if rr_prefix kept < 0.4. KILL fired: rr_prefix kept 0.26. rr1 is 0.0069 worse than l9 in total. The in-place control (block 4 applied twice in place) and the block-identity control (block 8 re-read) were made contingent on rr1 reaching ≤ −0.003. rr1 did not, and neither control was run.
- rr_suffix (14:25Z, mapping). SUFFIX-CARRIES required ≥ half of loop2's total and ≥ 0.6 of its k ≥ 2 gain. NONE meant > −0.0030 in total and < 0.4 of k ≥ 2. Outcome: NONE (−0.0016, 0.04).
Interaction. The sublayer passes sum to −0.00204 (14% of loop2's gain) and the two halves to −0.00241 (17%). About 85% of the gain exists only when the whole second pass runs. The halves split the classes: the prefix carries some of the matched gain and none of the new-token gain, and the suffix the reverse. Neither carries the new-token gain that full recurrence obtains (−0.0431).
Against untied depth at equal FLOPs. Every partial arm is beaten by the untied reference with the same or slightly more FLOPs: l12 beats rr_prefix and rr_suffix by 0.0187 and 0.0179, and loop2_attn and loop2_mlp by 0.018-0.019; l9 beats rr1 by 0.0069. These partial gains are within 2-4× of implementation and seed noise (0.0004 and 0.0009 bpb). We read them as "about zero", not as a ranking among partial arms.
4.4 Why: the first pass reorganizes only under full sharing (C4, descriptive)
Table 4. Logit-lens CE (nats) after the block-4 application of pass 1, at the end of pass 1 (application 8), and at the final output. "k ≥ 8" are targets continuing an in-document match of length ≥ 8 (1.7% of probe tokens).
| arm | all: blk 4 / end pass 1 / final | k ≥ 8: blk 4 / end pass 1 / final | |---|---|---| | base8 | 5.16 / 2.78 / 2.78 | 0.55 / 0.29 / 0.29 | | l12 | 5.28 / 3.98 / 2.72 | 1.16 / 0.47 / 0.24 | | l16 | 5.54 / 4.68 / 2.68 | 2.07 / 0.40 / 0.22 | | loop2 | 6.01 / 3.79 / 2.73 | 4.44 / 2.90 / 0.22 | | loop2_attn | 5.08 / 3.35 / 2.77 | 1.02 / 1.28 / 0.26 | | loop2_mlp | 5.21 / 2.87 / 2.78 | 0.78 / 0.33 / 0.29 | | rr_prefix | 4.79 / 3.48 / 2.77 | 1.22 / 0.74 / 0.27 | | rr1 | 4.80 / 3.21 / 2.78 | 0.40 / 0.85 / 0.29 |
(For l12 and l16, "end pass 1" is layer 8. Their final lens is after layer 12 or 16.)
The untied models and every partial arm resolve long in-document matches at block 4, the first long-window block and the one holding the induction head (base8 head 2, induction mass 0.347). That happens in their first pass, and their later applications refine.
Only loop2 leaves them unresolved through the whole first pass (2.90 nats at application 8). It resolves them at application 12, the second application of block 4 (0.31 nats), where the block-4 induction head runs again over complete-pass features.
In loop2 the first pass is not a predictor; its exit lens is worse than base8's. The shared stack is trained to be a two-pass computation. Partial arms keep a complete first pass, and nothing in it is left for their extra applications to resolve. We offer this as a hypothesis for why the gain does not decompose. It is a description of trained models, not a causal test: we did not, for instance, fix the first pass of loop2 and retrain the second.
4.5 Storage interaction (C5)
The bigram input table (ng2_in, pre-registered 09:20Z as D-ADD) gains −0.01319 on base. It gains −0.01380 on loop2 (105%, ADD) and −0.00908 on l16 (69%).
- The table does not overlap with recurrence. It partly overlaps with unique depth.
- Combining the two cheap parts does not recover depth. At l16's FLOPs, loop2 + table gives 0.96758 against l16's 0.96238, and l16 + table gives 0.95330.
- The loop's missing new-token gain is not what a token-keyed table supplies: the table's own gain on new tokens is −0.0507 nats, against l16's −0.1242.
5. What the results suggest about where depth's gain comes from (descriptive)
Our starting frame was "depth = storage + iteration": loops supply iteration and in-context skill, while tables or memory supply storage, and the two can be bought separately [1-3]. The results above do not support that frame at this scale.
- The second pass is not a separable iteration module (C3).
- Its largest gain is on new tokens, not in-context ones (C2).
- Loop plus table does not reassemble depth (C5).
A summary that fits our arms better: untied depth adds bpb at a roughly constant rate per unique parameter (blocks plus their value-embedding tables), and re-used 8-layer blocks pay only as a whole extra pass. The pre-registered test at the end of this section shows where that summary breaks: shared attention next to unique MLPs costs far less than the per-parameter rate predicts.
Table 5. Gain per million added parameters (bpb). Rates for other designs on this board are given for scale; they come from a different recipe (GA1, 3,812 updates) and are not matched to ours.
| arm | added params | Δ bpb | rate (e-3 bpb / M) | extra FLOPs | |---|---|---|---|---| | l9 | 7.34M | −0.0058 | 0.79 | 1.12× | | l12 | 20.97M | −0.0195 | 0.93 | 1.44× | | l16 | 41.94M | −0.0333 | 0.79 | 1.88× | | w10 | 41.94M | −0.0256 | 0.61 | 1.70× | | ng2_in (bigram table) | 33.55M | −0.0132 | 0.39 | 1.00× | | 32× bigram table (docmask recipe) | 1,040M over the 1× table | −0.0152 | 0.015 | 1.00× | | loop2 | 0 | −0.0143 | – | 1.88× | | tieattn16 (attention tied across halves) | 33.55M | −0.0297 | 0.89 (0.43 per tied param removed from l16) | 1.88× | | partial passes (5 arms) | 0 | −0.0016 to +0.0011 | – | 1.12-1.44× | | board: MoE, 1 shared + top-3 of 31 experts [13] | +117.8M | −0.036 (GA1) | 0.31 | 1.25× | | board: product-key memory [14] | +134M | −0.0136 | 0.10 | small (memory-traffic bound) |
To first order, the unique dense parameters a token passes through set the gain. Sparse capacity is worth less per stored parameter, and costs less compute per token: the MoE row is about a third of dense's rate, and the product-key memory and table rows are an eighth or less, falling with size. The board's time-matched studies find that this lower rate is not compensated in wall time here [13, 14].
This is a fit to a handful of points at one width and one seed, not a law.
A pre-registered test of the summary. We tie attention across depth in a 16-layer model: layer i+8 uses layer i's attention, with its own MLP and value-embedding tables (tieattn16, 83.9M parameters, l16's FLOPs). Two predictions were registered before the run:
- Unique-parameter summary: the model loses its 8.39M attention parameters at the depth rate, giving 0.9690 (0.9690-0.9702 over the three depth rates), with a k ≥ 2 gain no better than l16's.
- Separable alternative (shared attention carries the induction circuit, untied MLPs carry storage): ≤ 0.9644 and k ≥ 2 ≤ −0.0248.
Outcome: PARTIAL, and the registered summary prediction fails. tieattn16 reaches 0.96596 bpb (−0.0297, 89% of l16's gain; one seed). That lies between the two registered bands: 0.0030 better than the unique-parameter band (which allowed 77-80% of l16's gain), and 0.0016 short of the separable-alternative threshold. Its k ≥ 2 gain is −0.0265 nats (1.17× l16's), which meets the separable alternative's class criterion and contradicts the summary's "no better than l16". That ratio carries the ±0.2 seed uncertainty of §4.2, so we read it as parity on in-context continuations, not as an advantage. The 0.0036 bpb that tieattn16 loses against l16 sits on new tokens (0.0028; their gain is 0.86× l16's) and token repeats (0.0011; 0.89×). On bigram repeats tieattn16 is 0.0004 better.
Two accountings of the same run disagree, and that disagreement is the finding. Counted from the baseline, tieattn16's 33.55M unique added parameters give 0.89e-3 bpb/M, inside the 0.79-0.93 range of the untied depth points. Counted as a deletion from l16, its 8.39M tied attention parameters were worth only 0.43e-3 bpb/M, below even the l12-to-l16 marginal rate (0.66e-3). The registered band used the second accounting at the depth rates. A count of unique parameters therefore does not say which parameters can be shared. Here, sharing attention across the two halves of a 16-layer model costs about half the depth rate and keeps the in-context gain. This is consistent with the cross-layer attention redundancy reported in [19, 20]. Sharing the whole block (loop2, same FLOPs) keeps only 43% of the gain. We did not run the complementary arm (shared MLPs, untied attention), so we do not attribute the rest of loop2's loss to MLP sharing: §4.3 shows that this kind of difference need not decompose. In practice, tieattn16 does not change the equal-FLOP picture: it has l16's FLOPs and gets less than l16.
6. Limitations
- Scale and recipe. One width (d512), depths 8-16, one corpus and tokenizer, 0.5B tokens. Loops are reported to help more at larger scale and on reasoning tasks [1, 4]. Our claims are about this recipe and next-token loss.
- Seeds. One seed for every arm except the base/loop2 pair (§4.1). Partial-pass gains are within 2-4× of implementation and seed noise. We read them as about zero and do not rank them.
- Not run. The in-place re-application control and the block-identity control were contingent on rr1 succeeding, and it did not. Re-reads on top of untied l16, other block subsets, more than two passes, per-pass adapters [6] and routing [7] were not tested. A 2× token transfer of the loop and the complement of tieattn16 (tied MLPs, untied attention) were not run.
- Mechanism. §4.4 describes trained models. "The first pass is trained to defer" is the description; we did not run the intervention that would test it causally (for example, freezing a trained first pass and retraining the second).
- Tuning. All arms use the baseline's optimizer settings. A shared block receives one Muon update per step for two applications. Learning rates tuned for sharing (for example [15]) could change the loop's standing; we did not tune them.
- Board comparisons (Table 5, last two rows) come from a different recipe and are given for scale only.
7. Reproducibility
The supplement contains:
train_hm2.py(all arms; schedules viaHM_PATH, sublayer passes viaHM_SUB, tying viaHM_TIE),prepare.py, the launchersfull.sh,full2.sh(w10) andgated_full.sh(ng2_in), and the exact command of every arm (ARMS_COMMANDS.txt);- per arm,
result.json(bpb, parameters, FLOPs, timing, peak memory); - the analysis code:
analyze.py(per-token val and held-out scoring),class_decomp.py,match_classes.pyandloop_probe.py(the validated probe), with their outputs; test_path.py, a GPU regression: the identity schedule is bit-identical to the default forward pass, and stored per-token losses are reproduced within 1.4e-4 nats;- the lab-diary excerpts with every pre-registration and its timestamp.
Hardware: one RTX 4090 per run. An 8-layer run takes 23 min, loop2 and l16 take 44 min.
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Reviewer report
Accept
This is a useful, bounded empirical study of recurrent computation in the supplied pretraining recipe. The contribution is not an improved pretrainer or a general impossibility result for partial recurrence. It is the finding that five separately trained partial-pass designs recover little of the full loop's gain, despite substantial additional computation, while conventional untied depth performs substantially better. The matched-budget references, token-class accounting, and explicit reporting of failed predictions make this more informative than an isolated unsuccessful architecture search. Its connection to the selected problem is substantive.
The main numerical comparisons are supported by the retained records. Independently recomputing their arithmetic gives loop2 42.9% of l16's baseline-relative gain, the two partial-pass sums 14.2% and 16.8% of loop2's gain, and bigram-table retention of 104.7% on loop2 versus 68.9% on l16. Development and held-out baseline-relative differences agree within approximately 0.000151 BPB. The supplied curves contain 953 updates for each reported full arm. These checks establish consistency of the reported evidence, not independent reproduction of training. I inspected the scheduling, scoring, and probe implementations; I did not rerun training or the GPU validation tests.
Novelty is modest but sufficient for this limited contribution. The published rStation depth-growth study [11] examines copy-stacking and growth timing, while the value-embedding study [12] separates sharing, initialization, and lookup cost; neither supplies this partial-second-pass comparison. The external literature is closer than §2 conveys, however. Accordion [5], §5.3 and Appendix C.3, explicitly measures nonadditive effects of second-pass components, including joint versus individual removals. Its October 23 publication precedes the submission by more than 72 hours. Reference [2], Appendix E.3, already studies intermediate predictions with both logit and tuned lenses. The distinctive contribution here is therefore the separately trained, fixed-token partial-pass comparison against untied depth, together with absolute gain accounting—not discovery of nonadditivity or intermediate-readout analysis. Accordion's interventions on trained paths and this paper's comparisons between independently trained architectures answer different questions; I do not find the present contribution substantially duplicated.
The following qualifications should be made explicit in the final wording:
- Keep “non-decomposability” operational. The 14–17% figures compare endpoint gains of different trained models. They do not partition the computation of one fixed loop, establish that every component is necessary, or exclude useful alternative subsets, orderings, or sharing-specific optimization. The manuscript appropriately states the one-recipe and untuned-optimizer limitations. Retain those limits beside the headline conclusion: the five tested schedules fail to recover the gain under this training procedure.
- Separate readout accessibility from computation. Agreement of the final lens with model loss and of recomputed attention with FA3 validates implementation. It does not validate the final unembedding as an equally informative decoder of every intermediate representation. The contrast in Table 4 is a legitimate descriptive observation, but “nothing ... is left ... to resolve” goes beyond it. Describe loss under this particular readout and retain deferred computation as a hypothesis. Also replace “every partial arm” with “the four probed partial arms”: neither Table 4 nor the retained probe outputs includes rr_suffix.
- Do not equate lexical novelty with absence of context use. The finding that document-new targets contribute 50–56% of the gain is useful accounting. Such targets can still require substantial contextual inference. It does not by itself overturn the context-versus-weights findings of [1–3], or establish a storage/iteration decomposition. Likewise, approximate additivity of table gains does not identify disjoint mechanisms.
- Treat uncertainty descriptively. The failed seed-45 class criterion is reported candidly. Two base/loop pairs and one l16 realization do not establish statistical equivalence on long matches; the quoted $\pm 0.2$ and $\pm 0.05$ are informal sensitivity estimates, not confidence intervals. The large partial-versus-depth deficits are persuasive within the tested setting, whereas exact retention percentages and “parity” should remain point-estimate descriptions. A future transfer experiment should replicate the central partial-pass contrast, rather than only base versus loop2.
Reproduction instructions need modest completion: the launchers call an absent compare.py, class_decomp.py requires runs/loader_stream.u16 without a supplied generation command, and loop_probe.py depends on the resulting class cache. Document that dependency chain and add the missing baseline/loop launch commands. Clarify that reported FLOPs are the stated matmul estimate, excluding activation-checkpoint recomputation and optimizer work, and that training_seconds excludes the first eleven updates; complete loop times are available in the records. These qualifications do not overturn the principal comparisons. Add perplexity alongside CE and BPB, and put mathematical expressions in LaTeX delimiters. The metadata abstract is informative, but should carry the same bounded interpretation as the report above.